Here in lay the difference in the officiating of the game when its not a Sky game.

Wigans fist try - debatable - Ref asks the touch judge (15 yards further up field from the incident) rather than the in goal official (in line with dead ball line) and awards try

First attack of second half, Kelly kicks through an goes to ground the ball. Not even a discussion with any other official deemed no try.

Wigans winning score, as you mention, has a big suggestion of off side.

Come to think of it, the penalty which Wigan equalised with would be interesting to watch back. It was a free play to wigan but they also knocked on prior to the Hull player dropping on the ball.

If the VR is there, there is (or shouldnt be) any debate.

The penalty was dumb play by paea who knew he was offside

5 games left before the split. 4 against teams below us. Not being presumptuous but lets say we get 4 wins. We also have St's at home, let say we lose that. 8 points.

Super 8's, we all start taking points off each other.

We need to finish 4th after another TWELVE games.

By the start of the 8's we should have our first choice 7 and winger back, A short while later we should have our best meter making centre back. Couple that with the return of Manu / Westerman, I see reasons to be positive.

Not wanting to wish injury on any player, but our squad has been particularly hit this season. Who's to say another club will not go through a bad run of injuries?

Paea actually stood off the ball, its was anything player who dropped on it.

But, as mentioned, the ball had come loose from a Wigan knock on and ended the free play. Should have been a scrum wigan for me.

Probably asking about offside - he was having problems with the "technology".

No problem with the result, for me the best team won. More disappointed with our performance, defence apart we were very poor.

A very good effort by FC with so many players out, as some have said the game was there to be won.

Having seen the posts responding to a "our season over " post, does your perspective on the rest of the season not show that the current system gives teams more to fight for especially as one team is looking likely to run away to take the league leaders shield again?

Any team can get injuries so Sts losing Barber or Wire losing Hill could have a major impact on the rest of the season.

Whatever plan they come up with for the SL it needs to keep as many teams playing until the season end as possible. I wouldnt want to be joint top of SL going to the last game knowing our competitors are playing a team with nothing to play for.

Great post.

IMO that would improve Wire, he has gone backwards at a rate of knots this season. Baffles me why he is a shoe in for England

I don't think Wigan's problems are behind them after that result, that 4th spot still up for grabs in my opinion , think wigan will lose more than they win, we just need some bodies back and put a good run together

Highlights now online, whether Flower is offside when the drop kick is attempted is debatable.

First try is difficult to see, probably ok.

I thought that at the time about consulting the touch judge , only reason I could think was he was asking him if they were onside from the kick through . Like to see the try again but I thought he grounded it over the line .

Aren't Wigan 6 points ahead of us with a game in hand? Hmm. I agree we have players coming back at the right time but the cohesion that Saints are showing, and in some ways that we did the last 2 years is that the same players have been on the pitch week in week out and are match fit. Like you, really hope we can put a strong run together with a steady flow of returning players.

If you play it frame by frame, both feet are about a foot (no pun intended) behind the ball

When Tomkins leaves go of the ball, Flowers is about a foot in front of him, so I guess it all depends on how the drop goal rule is defined.

A couple of ambiguous interpretations to ponder....

"Offside if.....
He is in front of the rugby league ball.
He is in front of a ball and it is then kicked."

"The rules say that to be onside at a kick, an active player not in possession of the ball, must be behind the player who kicks the ball."

We lost against one of the top teams - again
We didnt respect the ball - as usual
We wasnt clever enough at the right times - as usual

As ive said before were a dumb team that even with a full compliment is still dumb - Radford says the same after just about every loss but nothing changes

Were a 95% team, can do so much good but can be soo stupid and amateur at times that it outweighs the good - i believe thats the coaching and whilst Radford is coaching we will not change unless he gets help - he could do with a an experienced coach as his assistant, someone who could help squeeze out those extra %s that make you a champion team

Mrs B likes to wind up but that is season over barring a miracle, were to far behind the top four now and wont be able to catch up as were crap away then if we do scrape into fourth position we'll go straight out because of our crap away form