Not a lot but i think this side would be a lot better with those two in,just my opinion of course.

Arundel made Turner look like a superstar and very few rated Turner so looks like Arundel can be this seasons scapegoat ( Will be interesting to see how Turner goes tomorrow). Players like Galea usually take a few games before they start hitting their straps he will do a decent enough job imo.

WTF is going on with Houghton!!! why has he moved away from what he is good at, Danny you is not a h/back mate!
We looked great for the first half, then went tits up, tbf there was some good signs but still a lot of work to do. We still have Tickle & Watts to return and a bag full of youngsters pushing for places, miles too early to start worrying yet. For some bizarre reason I actually think Seymour will come good and Holdsworth will become more confident with his boot, still early days. We are Hull FC and it is not our style for things to run smoothly...going to be one hell of a journey!

Even if Galea plays like that every week, Gentle won't drop him.

Then he'll lose his job. Can't see it though.

Out enthused and lost the aggression battle - Peter Gentle/Paul Cullen/Peter Gentle/Paul Cullen

Gentle living up to his name and the players have always looked like they can handle what Gentle has to say if they capitulate. Perhaps he is too nice , great tactician , great knowledge but not tough enough in his character to have them also fear him as well.

Players fear Fergie , they do , they feared Cloughie as he demanded the absolute best from his players.

The difference between champions and nearly teams is quite small and AP will be looking at that small gap closely I tell you

It looked like Holdsworth didn't want to get dirty, i really feel Richard Horne should be in the 17 man squad next week.

Fans talk about players we were missing , well that's a lame excuse. Do you think we will EVER have a full strength side out EVER ? When Watts/Tickle and Ellis are back , I bet Holdsworth/Briscoe and Lynch will be injured.

EXCUSES but no real reasons

I think we will finish about 5th this year , maybe CC quarters , 1 win in play offs at home v 6th

IS that enough for AP ?

Very poor tonight I thought.
Halfbacks were non-existant, although partly because Leeds closed them down very well.
Houghton was poor imo, we looked a far better side with Heremia on. He actually got us moving forward.
Defense was less than stellar too.
All in all, a lot of work to do before next week.
Still, only first game of the season and things can only get better.....can't they?

Went but left early. I can't say I'm deflated, because I didn't buy into the hype, but I'm sad that I'm not bothered/surprised, just a bit numb to it. Having lots of average halves to partner Holdsworth is no substitute for a really good one. More grunt needed up front. Right edge looks flaky. Same old same old.

Isn't that what all fc fans do leave early.? Hope ellis is injury is not as bad as it seems.!

Why so doom and gloom? Its a new era remember?

Arundel was actually ok early doors. Moon will tear many a centre to bits. Think he was ragged when team was and tired through volume of work. Some very poor efforts mind.
McDonnell was fairly impressive at times can see him being a big part of our attack.
Aaron was our best player when on, been banging on about him starting n Danny off bench. Still think the same.
Holdsworth really had nothing to work with.
Missed watts and his offload tonight.
Ellis massive loss obviously. To be honest I felt like we'd lost before the game started. Just felt like the sort of thing that could only happen to us!
To many poor players. Westy 2nd half no show
Whiting nothing
Galea poor
Seymour poor
N Danny Houghton was worst I've seen him!
Disappointing and anti climax but also Leeds were as good as I've seen a team on the opening night!
Won't be slitting my wrists yet but I am bit gutted.

Good summary. Did Westerman cost north of £100,000? Can't remember, but into his 3rd year I have to do the unthinkable and agree with Lee Richardson - how many games has he bossed?
I thought Holdsworth showed some good signs TBH. Can't complain about injuries though - 3 out is nothing really and back row is where we have the best depth.

Where to start?

Joe Westerman should never play 13 again, we've taken a naturally gifted athlete and turned him into a cart horse.

Back row rotation was abysmal.

Houghtons passes from the play the ball was awful and the main reason why Leeds looked so quick out of the blocks.