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Quote: PAUL M "I tend to think it's a position we do need to strengthen. In order to play more exciting rugby and look more dangerous in attack we need a more traditional 13. There is Whiting although he has never been tried there so we don't know about him and there is also Washy who seems to me like he will now be the backup hooker to Houghton. For me the key pivots are 1, 6, 7, 9 and 13 and our starting players in those positions are all quality players and british, Tansey, Horne, Long, Houghton and Westerman. We do need cover for the halves and we need good recruitment next year for the haklves but players like Tansey and Westerman will be crucial in our style of play assuming we are trying to change it.'"


eusa_clap.gif Is right mate, well said. Cracking signing and anyone thinking different needs to wake up. There's a lot of quality in them positions you've mentioned too mate, all English quality. I'm delighted with this signing, seen the rumours on here for a while just glad they came through. I can't understand why anyone is questioning the transfer fee paid either, if it is £150,00 it's nothing, it's not like we can't afford it. The lad's only 20, he has a very bright career ahead (I'm delighted it'll be with us) and bags of talent, he couldn't want to play with a better group right now and he will flourish under fitzy's guidance.

Why are we trying to give him a new position on here. Agar has paid a nice transfer fee, chased him for a considerable time I would imagine and brought him in now so he can work under/with Fitz, surely there's no way he'll play anywhere else other than 13 unless for cover.

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Quote: Hutchie "I would say Burnett and wouldnt be suprised to see him leave this off season'"


I wouldn't be surprised either, but he's not kicked on enough, TBH. And he still gives away far too many penalties too.

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Quote: carl_spackler "There are always certain moves that would just have too much fallout for clubs to sanction though. With Chase being their talisman now, unless he tells Cas he wants out I don't think they can afford to do it. Could be a catastrophic reaction from their fans.

It's a bit like us and a slightly different situation. We desperately need a halfback more than anything else, and there's a certain somebody available, but we still shouldn't possibly entertain the notion under any circumstances.'"

If a lack of cash causes them to put in a substandard franchise application then they won't keep hold of him in NL1 anyway. The long term future of their club would be more important than hanging onto Chase for another season. This is all hypothetical to an extent but if the money is right then no player is ever not for sale.

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If rovelli is signed then I see no choice other than to loan out Washbrook and Burnett for the duration of their final year.

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Quote: carl_spackler "I wouldn't be surprised either, but he's not kicked on enough, TBH. And he still gives away far too many penalties too.'"


Burnett is a frustrating one. Always had the strength and skill to make it but has had a very average 2010. Either needs to kick on big style pre-season for 2011 or be loaned out for 12 months to develop.

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Quote: Robbo4 "If a lack of cash causes them to put in a substandard franchise application then they won't keep hold of him in NL1 anyway. The long term future of their club would be more important than hanging onto Chase for another season. This is all hypothetical to an extent but if the money is right then no player is ever not for sale.'"


Whilst I can see what you're saying, I just think that letting Chase go could be at least as damaging to their chances. They're always defensively suspect with the way they play. If you then also take their most creative player out of the side on the back of their best strike player (Shenton), they could end up rooted to the bottom of the table.

Losing Chase would have the most impact on their side out of their entire squad IMO, so they'd be better off losing 2 or even 3 others than him. So we'd probably need them to have no other options before they'd consider it, and there's always going to be some interest in others (as we've just proved).

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Quote: PAUL M "The one player who is now under threat is Washy imo. Whiting will be our utility player and should we sign an overseas half who can cover 6,7, & 9 then it leaves Washy as a fringe player.

I can see our bench being one of two options - 2 x props/backrow/overseas half

Or with Fitz likely to play the full 80 mins - prop/utility/backrow/overseas half

I'd go with

Whiting
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As things stand now:
If needed I think Whiting may go to centre while Berrigan spells Houghton.

I could even see Turner being on the bench before Washy, unless Turner gets loaned out.

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Quote: Big Dave T "I dont disagree. The one problem though is that Whiting has spoken about this himself previously but doesnt seem able to put the weight on.'"


I agree. But I also think he'd need to put some weight on to play LF, I don't think he could take the punishment for 80 minutes as he is now. So the problem is present regardless of which way we'd like to go.

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Quote: B0NES "If rovelli is signed then I see no choice other than to loan out Washbrook and Burnett for the duration of their final year.'"
As i said earlier, we should of just thrown Washy in as part of the deal, Assuming he's happy to go, of course. Burnett won't make the grade in SL IMO. Last year was his chance, we now have 2-3 youngsters who can back up, if needed.

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Quote: east hull FC fan "As i said earlier, we should of just thrown Washy in as part of the deal, Assuming he's happy to go, of course. Burnett won't make the grade in SL IMO. Last year was his chance, we now have 2-3 youngsters who can back up, if needed.'"


It's getting to the point now where he may have to be loaned out to prove his worth because he won't get many more in the first team. As you say there are a few youngsters who can back up so Burnett's best chances may have come and gone.

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Quote: carl_spackler "I agree. But I also think he'd need to put some weight on to play LF, I don't think he could take the punishment for 80 minutes as he is now. So the problem is present regardless of which way we'd like to go.'"


Which ultimately is why he's 2nd or 3rd choice for each position. Too light for the pack, too slow for the backs. He needs to change one of those facets to have a serious chance.

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Quote: Dan_FC "It's getting to the point now where he may have to be loaned out to prove his worth because he won't get many more in the first team. As you say there are a few youngsters who can back up so Burnett's best chances may have come and gone.'"


As an example i'm really excited to see what opportunities Liam Cunningham gets this season. After France last year i expect big things from him.

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Quote: Big Dave T "Burnett is a frustrating one. Always had the strength and skill to make it but has had a very average 2010. Either needs to kick on big style pre-season for 2011 or be loaned out for 12 months to develop.'"


Agree again. The few times I saw him for the reserves last season he didn't really stand out either, though, which is disappointing.

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Quote: Big Dave T "Which ultimately is why he's 2nd or 3rd choice for each position. Too light for the pack, too slow for the backs. He needs to change one of those facets to have a serious chance.'"


Yes, but that was the case whether or not Westerman signed. That's why I don't quite see why this would be the catalyst for him to move on. It's still entirely within his own hands to push for a place IMO.

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Quote: carl_spackler "Yes, but that was the case whether or not Westerman signed. That's why I don't quite see why this would be the catalyst for him to move on. It's still entirely within his own hands to push for a place IMO.'"


I guess my arguement is that he'd be 1st choice for the LF spot if Fitz plays prop before Westerman signs. He's now 2nd choice again and Westerman isn't a short term signing. Whiting may have been sitting it out waiting to take over from Fitz. This additional obstacle now in his way does change things imo.

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