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| Quote: Kosh "Yes.
You're making a subjective judgement of our worth/quality compared to the other teams in SL. Our league table position is an objective assessment. It's also the only assessment that counts.
Right now we are the 4th best side in SL based on the only criteria that matters - league position. Simplez. No amount of sophistry will change that indisputable fact.'"
The fact we are 4th is indeed a FACT. The assertion that we are the 4th best team is opinion only until the season finishes |
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "This thread is full of fools. They're so desperate to defend agar they've left common sense in the changing rooms'"
Bull.
Personally I was against Agar's appointment from the start and my position hasn't changed. However I can rationally accept improvements that have been made.
Your view that the league table means nothing in terms of teams' relative strengths until the season is over is clearly rubbish. |
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| Quote: Uncle Junior "Oh OK they're the same thing then? You'll be telling me that form and class are the same next!
Must try harder.'"
If you [iperform[/i better over a given period of time then you have [ibeen[/i better over that same period of time.
It really isn't a difficult concept.
The form and class comparison is actually pretty relevant, in that form is measurable in an objective fashion whereas class is a subjective judgement.
You don't win anything for being classy, mind. |
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "The fact we are 4th is indeed a FACT. The assertion that we are the 4th best team is opinion only until the season finishes'"
Nope. The assertion that we are the 4th best team [iright now[/i is a fact easily demonstrated by a glance at the league table. |
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "I'm right more times than you bud, and this thread is a shining example
So by paulm's logic after 18 games the league shows how strong you are but after 27 rounds it doesn't ![]()
No. The league shows you how strong you have been over the period up to and including your last game.
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| Quote: ComeOnYouUll "Doesn't quite tally with what you said on Friday
In what way doesn't it tally?
I said that w'd get bogged down against the bottom placed club and we did, which proves my point that league positions aren't irrefutable evidence of how good or poor a team is
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "This thread is full of fools. They're so desperate to defend agar they've left common sense in the changing rooms'"
Possibly you could point out where anyone has even mentioned Agar, much less defended him? |
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "In what way doesn't it tally?
I said that w'd get bogged down against the bottom placed club and we did, which proves my point that league positions aren't irrefutable evidence of how good or poor a team is'"
So the team in the higher position didn't beat the team in the lower position?  |
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| Quote: ComeOnYouUll "Bull.
Personally I was against Agar's appointment from the start and my position hasn't changed. However I can rationally accept improvements that have been made.
Your view that the league table means nothing in terms of teams' relative strengths until the season is over is clearly rubbish.'"
League position now gives an idication ovviously but isn't definitive proof.
Are you really saying that a team could be 3rd best team one week, 4th best the next and 2nd best the week after?
It's a completely flawed argument |
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| Quote: Kosh "Nope. The assertion that we are the 4th best team [iright now[/i is a fact easily demonstrated by a glance at the league table.'"
It's not though because evry team has played a different combination of games |
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "League position now gives an idication ovviously but isn't definitive proof.
Are you really saying that a team could be 3rd best team one week, 4th best the next and 2nd best the week after?
It's a completely flawed argument'"
You do know the difference between the map and the territory don't you? |
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| Quote: Kosh "So the team in the higher position didn't beat the team in the lower position? ![]()
Didn't in tonight's match did they. How the hell can that happen? the 2nd best team in the league losing to the 5th best. What a crazy world we live in
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| Quote: Kosh "Possibly you could point out where anyone has even mentioned Agar, much less defended him?'"
wolfie did about 5 pages back |
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "It's not though because evry team has played a different combination of games'"
So what? That's the way the league is structured. For most of it's existence the team winning the competition will have played a different combination of games over the course of the season. Does that mean that we've never had a valid champion? |
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