So you're insinuating Lee coached the players to go out and lose?

Well done Salford played very well tonight against a pretty poor opposition on the night. As much as anything it was leadership that was missing. Some lead and others follow and we had too many of the latter on show. Be interesting to see how the selection goes should we get back to anything like full fitness. There's some in there on borrowed time in my view particularly defensively.

It's not defensively that's the problem. Its the brains. We're the dumbest team in the league. We keep doing stupid stupid shiz. Then we give dumb pens. Then we get gassed out. Then we make handling errors again and defend again whilst on empty.

In the first sets last night we made great metres and their contact was off. We go 6 up. We're going ok. Then get a pen. Kill our own momentum by going for 2 (1st error)
Then they get momentum. We make some errors. Concede some pens. Go 6.10 behind. Finally get some ball again...put a kick in on the 3rd (whhhhaaat ) then double up with a pen. They score another. Later in game same thing happens.
Just before ht mini. On our own line tries an impossible offload tackle 1 whilst down to 12. So then concede another which truly ended the game. So stupid as a team it's untrue.

Now I'm not bashing radFord here but how is his team doing this every week? Some of the stupid things we do are not coached. He surely is drilling it into then to smarten up every week yet he's being ignored
What's bothering me now is weve been average all year. You can igore we were near top of the table. Our superior team sheet took care of that. I said before wigan the table was lieing to us.
Last night was the 1st good team we've played...As in top end..in form and fit without loads out etc and the result is we've nearly had 60 on us at home
If from absolutely nowhere we can suddenly find form we'll be ok this month. If not we'll be in for some more beltings
July last year (semi) was the last time this team put in a real all round performance in. That bothers me tbf. Only beat the 2 poor team in the 8s. Capitulated the LLS on our patch v understrength wire. Not been convincing this yr. We'd of lost a couple more if not for Kelly. All the time having 1 of the best squads.
All is not as dramatic as my ramblings here may make it seem tbh. It's only a few percent off here n there tbf. But I don't like the sheer length of time we're taking to show something like our best again. Easter set the foundations of everything that was good last year. Hopefully same this

The defence was terrible last night. So bad that they were scoring direct from the last kick off or via a penalty. Once we hit the patch where we couldn't get the ball it was carnage. Missed or on field leaders both physically and mentally.

Some people understand coaching and ethos

Then some are like yourself

Here in lay the issue which many of our fans demonstrate, thinking that due to poor historical performances and final league position, that a team like Salford are an also ran and we should simply expect them to be cannon fodder. Anyone who has seen them on Sky so far this season will know they have turned their corner and are not just on the up, they and Cas are the pace setters. They are far from average, they were at full strength with halves / pivots on top of thief game with pace and size around them.

Losing last night was not the surprise, but the manner of how some of the senior players appeared to give up in the first half was the real worrying sign.

We were without out most exciting player in Kelly, our engine room in Houghton, our talismans and leader in Ellis and our enforcer in Taylor. The problem last night was we did not limit the damage.

We crashed at Widnes last season. Wigan got whooped at Wakey last season. One absolute shocker, and specially this early in the season is not the end of the world

Close you eyes, take a deep breath, draw a line and move on.

The game was lost in the second quarter where Hull hardly touched the ball. Salford try, get the ball back, receive penalty late in the count, try, and repeat the cycle again and again. No mistakes from them and chuck in a ludicrously bad decision to sin bin Sneyd and it was all over. There was never going to be enough energy left in the team to have a hope of a sustained comeback and that is how the 2nd half unsurprisingly went. Time to move on, learn from this and make this the only truly bad effort this year.

I might be wrong but that's the first real tonking we've had in a year. Half a team out and some players not at there best against a really good Salford team . That score is not acceptable but it happens . Big game against Leeds and one if we get players back IMO will win. Yes we are not firing on all cylinders but still in the mix.

I dont think we will win.I said both Salford and Leeds will turn us over.
People go on about our big pack but if you look at this seasons games we have never been dominant in the forwards and most of the attack has come from the individual brilliance of Kelly.
I hope Tuimavave is back at right centre because with him,Fonua,Kelly and Manu they are a good combination both in attack and defence.
Griffin missing is no great loss,very disappointed with him especially defence
Connor has been overrated and is no more than a utility player but he may still keep his place if Griffin is missing.
Interesting to see the bench on Friday but certainly needs more impact,thats why i think we should start with Thompson or Fash and bring Ellis off the bench
with Bowden.
Need to also get back to rotating Mini and Manu.

If and it is a if. We get players back IMO we will beat Leeds. I would like the club to explain what's going on with Hadley as something doesn't add up. I really hope he's back for Leeds .

I've been more impressed with Connor than Griffin. Think he showed some good touches in limited time and different position, aggressive defender.

You missed "in my opinion " from the above.

We had Kelly Houghton and Ellis out. Three players who would do around 130 tackles if playing. Three young forwards in the same squad and had a bad half against Salford who has an exceptional half. No issues,just facts.

My thoughts exactly.not just the number of tackles they make but the technique were they dominate the attacker slowing the ptb down. Lose the ruck and you lose the game. Last night was a clear example of that.

So we have three key injuries and we can't cope, have not enough experienced players to make up some/most of the shortfall, that's extremely short sighted given how injuries/suspensions can happen in RL.
kirk Dixon summed it up perfectly on RH, youngsters with not enough experience.

We had an over the cap squad last year by loads only keeping under due to backloaded contracts hence we've had to offload players all over the place to stay under the live cap this year so we are having to rely much more on the youngsters.
And if due to a combination of signing outside players and not realising that non injured players need rotating, our youngsters that are on peanuts simply don't have enough experience/not good enough to step up to cover anywhere near as much as we are losing in those key areas, not even close.

it's a circular/cyclical problem that stems back to when Radford took over, bring in players from outside to gain success, last season he Radford (and to an extent Pearson too) really needed to win something or top 4/massive improvement + a final otherwise he'd be gone, so bust the cap with back loaded contracts to afford to have all the players like Taylor/Pryce/Sneyd/Manu/Fonua/CT/Ellis/Minichello/Pritchard etc to increase that chance and to a degree it paid off. However we saw what happened due to not having the balance and 1st XVII players completely knackered and too late introducing youngsters with even less experience than this year.
Try to address this in pre-season but it/they simply aren't enough and against a good team like salford we got found out, we are being found out mental strength/preparation wise too.

The youngsters hopefully can only improve but can they be good enough because aren't these supposed to be part of the building the team around the upcoming academy players ethos that we were sold and that pearson invested massively in?

As i've said a few times, since Radford took over the closest we have come to a player from the system getting a first team spot is jordan Abdull, there are no other players that have made their debut under Radford that are cementing a regular place.
We've got some good solid forwards from the academy but none are pulling up trees and aren't 1st XVII material or cpable of being near the players they are replacing down to inury or suspension, not yet.

it's this aspect - lack of bringing youngsters through, i spoke about before the 2016 season even kicked off and this is precisely why Wigan do so well with their youngsters, they are ready to throw them in and the players themselves are ready/well coached/drilled so the shortfall in experience is not so noticeable.