I too think its hard to gauge McClennon's success at Leeds as he inherited a strong team from Smith, but he did also coach NZ to a Tri-Nations win.

and yes I'd take Morgan at this point, as much as it pains us to say it he lifted a Championship side to a Top4 SL finish.

Morgan also had a board that consisted of people who knew about rugby and had many links to players and clubs

As bad as that second half was, unless some über-coach is available now and only for a short time, this thread is still a bit early. So far we are batting at 50% for decent performances, we should give it until somewhere between 6-10 games to see which half can establish itself or if we're going to continue being a flip of a coin.

Personally, I don't think the next 2 games will be as telling about whether or not we're making long-term progress as the following 2. As others have suggested, Easter is going to be the time to judge.

We don't need an uber coach, just ANY coach that has any fooking clue.

And as for your last comment sorry but you're wrong.
The next two games ARE telling, it will say whether the coach and players have anything about them or are they already resigned to fighting for the middle 8s.

Another 2 poor defeats and not only are we well behind the 8 ball points wise but confidence will be shot to shat & likely we'll spiral out of control beyond any hope of salvaging the season. Sneak a win at Wigan and that changes the mindset hugely, gives the players/coach (AND fans) hope, instills 'some' confidence going into the Cats game which can be the difference between winning and losing. The next two games are as vital as any in the season if not more so given what has happened in the last two games IMO

Of all the problems at the club, the main one is the owner, not Radford.

The last few seasons have been the worst I can remember for recruitment, for the quality of our coaches, the merchandising, the marketing, the numerous training ground moves and generally, just bad decisions.

The buck stops with him. He's the custodian of our club, and he should be challenged more in my opinion.

Just ANY coach is possibly why we're in this mess. If we're going to get rid it should be for an improvement, and quickly, otherwise we'll just be in further disarray scratting about without a coach with recruitment/retention decisions to be made by our chairman who seemingly still has no clue about rugby-related matters. Or we'll just stick the next assistant coach in line in charge.



I didn't say they won't be at all telling, I said they won't be as telling as the 2 games after. There's a difference. Our battle this year is clearly going to be near the bottom end of the table again, so will be defined by how we do against the others there. Losing to 2 of the likely top 4 will change little about that, even if we do put in spirited displays. We've seen before that we can respond to our regular poor performances with the odd one- to two-off games where we really fight for it against the top-end sides, we need to see if we can start asserting ourselves against those around us. Even if we were to get a shock win in one of the next 2, I still wouldn't be convinced we've turned it around until we start backing it up in the mid-table battles.

Right then, you get your money out and take over.

The excuses Lee Radford gave after the defeat last night were as disappointing as the performance. For example, the short turn around excuse. The players are full time athletes who are only four games into a season and have recently had a week's rest. We also had many players who haven't played in all 3 of the previous games. On top of that four days is enough time to adequately repair the body to go again. A more reasonable explanation is that our conditioning is not as it should be or our recovery processes are sub standard. Perhaps even the training schedule is too harsh and is taking too much out of the players when we have short turn a rounds? The way Radford spoke was as if he felt that we are incapable of winning games when we have a short turn around. That negative attitude will subconsciously transfer to the players and staff and for me was disheartening to hear.

We also look as mentally fragile as any Hull FC side in the recent past. What are the psychologists actually working on with these players? They couldn't be more week in this domain if they tried! You could tell just by looking at the body language after the first try Leeds scored that they had thrown the towel in at that exact moment.

The other issue we have is recruitment. We have so many unwanted players in the squad. There is a reason why the other clubs didn't want them! We also have some other players who are just bang average in their positions at this level.

I hope that one day the inconsistency is ironed out to a reasonable level but with Lee in charge I just can't see it. What happened to the attacking style of Rugby they promised for 2015?

You know I'm right. Don't bury your head in the sand.

The short turnaround excuse was a poor one as prior to Salford we'd had 2 weeks off and, it seems, plenty of time off from training if I read Radford correctly last week. For me the most disappointing result so far was easily Salford, who we would have beaten if we had shown 80% of the intensity shown in the first two games regardless of what Chase was or wasn't doing. Last night's debacle in the second half was made worse by the fact we'd dominated them in the first half. However with a bench of Abdull, Rankin, Tugut and Feka (possibly the weakest bench we've ever fielded in SL?) we were always going to struggle over 80 mins as effectively we only played with 3 props, one of which might be classed as a 'luxury' player. Regardless of that some individuals should be personally embarrassed with their second half display particularly some of the one on one defensive efforts that took place.

How am I burying my head in the sand.

Refusing to address my statement and making a comment about me getting my money out. There does seem a general unwillingness to throw blame at AP's door. For me, he's vaivety in some ways, and arrogance in other ways, has lead us to where we are.