the only irrelevant thing is you, and that's a general point about your value to society, run along

troll on meaty

Your great white hope has only got 3 games left before he leaves hasnt he ? Bye bye Dobbo

Still haven't got the hang of this forum mullarkey have we Standee. Are you impressed with his contribution this season or not?

He lead us to a challenge cup final. How can that be classed as disappointing?

Yes, he's a leader and we are much better when he's on the field, I am quite happy, I never expected him to rip the rest of SL a new one like some (usually opposition fans) did.

Who ever you are I am so pleased that you have had a great Bank Holiday but can you please get your own team to Wembley next year cos I need a good laugh also - ITS BEEN 28 YEARS - Get a Life you stupid person - oh and by the way whoever you play next year I will be shouting for them - that is a given

Well you certainly should be doing considering what your club are paying him, very poor return to date in my honest opinion.

when hes been on the pitch , ellis has got better each game, pity about the injury at wembley, if you think hes a waste of money when hes played you cant know much about rugby

Well I certainly never foresaw that opinion being forthcoming.

Come on then, how much is he on?

No he's been fine. I always found meatpaste to be a big disappointment though - full of bollo[ic[/iks, eye sockets and sinew.

I'm the same. I think meatpaste is sh*t, give me a nice Ardennes pate any day.

Getting to the final was a good achievement and of course not at all disappointing especially since you won very difficult games in the quarters & semis. The nature of the cup is that just one or two good performances can get you all the way there but you didn't exactly have an easy draw so well done.

But was the leadership of Ellis such a crucial factor? It didn't seem that way to me but you see a lot more of him than I do, maybe his presence has inspired others.

In his career Ellis has often led by example but for me he isn't a natural leader of men, has he ever captained a team before?

Whatever, I think the question being asked here is about his playing contribution. I thought the idea about making him a marquee signing was that he would be a stand out player not just for Hull but in the whole of Super League. We were after all told that Hull were 'making a statement' by signing him.

Personally I don't think he has lived up to expectations at all or anywhere near. He's a tough player and defends well but you've quite a few others who do that. I think you lost a lot more with the departure of Manu than you gained from signing Ellis.

Ellis missed a lot of last season in Australia through injury he's missed a lot of this season through injury he even looks to have visibly aged since he came to Hull. Some players like Jamie Peacock seem to mature like fine wine but to me Gareth Ellis is very clearly a player in decline. It'll be interesting to see if he is selected for England for the world cup surely on form he won't be although most likely he won't be fit anyway.

Like I say you see a lot more of him than me and if you are happy with the value you are getting then really that's all that counts. Either way he'll be taking up a good chunk of your salary cap for a good while yet.

Well done on getting to the final you fully deserved it after beating Catalans & Warrington.

Thanks for a well thought out posting. Its such a pleasant change from the usual garbage coming from your people.