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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"I find Cooke's views interesting, fell out with both clubs and calls a spade a spade with genuine insight. I'd like to read his column in the HDM but they don't put it online unfortunately.'"
Mrs Barista, For god sake , what are you on ? IF you are a F.C. fan why do you defend this - - - -
he proved what he thought of our club by going to THEM, i will never listen to or read Anything
this - - - - , has to say. I hope he rots in hell.  and he is a no-mark !!!!
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"I suspect RH invited him on, rather than him pitching up and demanding air time, so your complaint should be with their editorial choices in the first instance. In their defence, this is a fairly big breaking story in terms of Hull RL, and who better to comment on it than someone who's done it themselves?
If RH do an end of season RL review, frankly I'd be much more interested in Cooke's insight than that of Lloyd, Pinkney etc. Would be good to get a view that critically examines the relative seasons and direction of travel of the two clubs from someone not bothered whether their appraisal might upset the clubs.
Whatever your thoughts of him as a person, he's as far from a RL "no mark" in Hull as you can get, with his role on our most successful campaigns undisputed and arguably being the key factor in Rovers avoiding relegation.'"
And Mrs Barista he was also the catalyst for our last five years of treading water with the also rans. HE was the reason for our DEMISE and he alone, with a modicum of help from Rule and Hetherington.
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| Quote The Judge="The Judge"And Mrs Barista he was also the catalyst for our last five years of treading water with the also rans. HE was the reason for our DEMISE and he alone, with a modicum of help from Rule and Hetherington.'"
Doesn't make his views/opinions any less valid and he's certainly more knowledgable on the game than pretty much every poster on RLFANS
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| Quote Doncar="Doncar"Mrs Barista, For god sake , what are you on ? IF you are a F.C. fan why do you defend this - - - -
he proved what he thought of our club by going to THEM, i will never listen to or read Anything
this - - - - , has to say. I hope he rots in hell.
and he is a no-mark !!!!'"
Oh get over it for Gawd's sake.
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| Quote The Judge="The Judge"And Mrs Barista he was also the catalyst for our last five years of treading water with the also rans. HE was the reason for our DEMISE and he alone, with a modicum of help from Rule and Hetherington.'"
I think it was the other way around to be honest. Auntie Kath took the mick out of our club for years.
I'll never forgive Cooke for what he did, but the same fella gave me one of the best days of my life, and I personally think he has some good insight into the game, especially in this city.
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| Cooke didn't like the way things were going at the club , nor did we ultimately. He probably saw it coming and , unlike us as fans , had the option of walking away which he did. The reason for doing what he did was probably OK , maybe his long awaited book will tell us that , but the way he did it was wrong and unforgivable. Having said that I've rarely heard him speak anything but common sense on RL matters as a "pundit".
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| Quote The Judge="The Judge"And Mrs Barista he was also the catalyst for our last five years of treading water with the also rans. HE was the reason for our DEMISE and he alone, with a modicum of help from Rule and Hetherington.'"
Cooke alone is to blame for disappointments 5 years after he left? OK, then. Nothing to do with us failing to source a replacement, clearly.
The reality is that the current RH set-up is weighted 4-1 in Rovers favour with varying levels of club apologism. They know if they are too brutal in their assessments the clubs will take their bat and ball home and they'll lose any snippets of signing news and player interviews. Cooke on the other hand has fallen out with both clubs and in my opinion gives outspoken but even-handed analysis and critique of both teams.
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| blunderside should bin pinkney and have cooke as expert summariser alongside richardson. They need someone else who doesn't constantly pretend everything is OK when it clearly isn't
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| I don't know who produces that Humberside post game show but they're on the wrong career path whoever they are.
Those saying "I want to hear from fans who've been to the game" are missing an important problem with this - nobody rings in. They put a guy on the air after the Catalans game who was clearly drunk and on a very bad phone line so you couldn't hear a word he was saying. Gollum then tried to go back to him on four seperate occasions. That's how desperate they are for people to ring in. The Welsh bloke, who talks a bit of sense sometimes, gets on every week because he's the only one calling in.
So the programme then essentially becomes 30 minutes of fill while they wait for Gentle to be interviewed - which as said usually happens about five minutes before the end of the programme so has to be cut short. Ten minutes of that fill is now taken up by an interview recorded before the match, so already dated. The only time that worked was when it was Pearson. The rest of the time it's been, one example, Richard Whiting talking about his hopes for the rest of the season after a match in which we've all just seen Richard Whiting leave the field injured.
After that we have 15 minutes of Gollum reading out the phone and the text number (usually incorrectly), then asking Richardson what he thought of the game, then the numbers again, then asking Richardson about the performance of a specific player, then off to the studio for a round up of texts and Tweets and - again as they don't get any - we get puerile nonsense like "great result for the boys today, Briscoe for England, come on you Hull" and "referee bad but two points is all that counts come on you Hull" then it's back to Gollum and those numbers again.
It's criminal that a broadcaster of his experience is as bad at filling now, after all these years, as he is but it's also ridiculous that he's required to fill for so long. A phone in show should always be planned around the worst case scenario that nobody phones in. What are we going to do? What are we going to talk about?
Paul Cooke is actually a decent start. Forthright opinions, controversial figure, he'll not only get people ringing in to disagree with him but he's actually capable of starting something resembling a debate with the other "experts" in the meantime. I'd get rid of Gollum (would have done so a long time ago to be fair) and replace him with somebody who can first and foremost host a radio show (he can't) and secondly ask some proper questions. Then get somebody else alongside Cooke (possibly Murdoch but definitely not Richardson) who will go at it with him and have a proper debate/row that will then encourage callers to ring in.
TalkSport is a vile horrible thing but they do this trick of having one presenter with one view and one presenter with a diametrically opposite view (whether they believe it or not) really well and callers flood in to tell one he's talking nonsense. Cooke is ideal for this.
And while I'm ranting, Craig Murdoch and James Smailes please note that asking for the thoughts on today's game, then asking if anybody is injured, and then running through each player one by one saying "Yeaman went well today didn't he?", "Manu went well today didn't he?" Did you think Westerman went well today Peter?" Is not an interview. You can hear the disdain in Gentle's voice as he replies "Oh yeh, you know, Kirk/Willie/Joe/Bruce/Brian is a good player. Look, we've just get to get that consistency into our game" and then repeats the same thing for every player.
Ask him a question for the love of God.
Sorry, it's my line of work, and it's cringeworthy to listen to it done that badly.
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| "Judas". Grow up.
The guy was a great player for us, scored the winning try in a Challenge Cup final and made the mistake of wanting to get more money in a career that lasts maybe 20 years if you're lucky to avoid serious injury.
Some folk need to get a grip and look to the future.
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| Quote BarnetFC="BarnetFC"I don't know who produces that Humberside post game show but they're on the wrong career path whoever they are.
Those saying "I want to hear from fans who've been to the game" are missing an important problem with this - nobody rings in. They put a guy on the air after the Catalans game who was clearly drunk and on a very bad phone line so you couldn't hear a word he was saying. Gollum then tried to go back to him on four seperate occasions. That's how desperate they are for people to ring in. The Welsh bloke, who talks a bit of sense sometimes, gets on every week because he's the only one calling in.
So the programme then essentially becomes 30 minutes of fill while they wait for Gentle to be interviewed - which as said usually happens about five minutes before the end of the programme so has to be cut short. Ten minutes of that fill is now taken up by an interview recorded before the match, so already dated. The only time that worked was when it was Pearson. The rest of the time it's been, one example, Richard Whiting talking about his hopes for the rest of the season after a match in which we've all just seen Richard Whiting leave the field injured.
After that we have 15 minutes of Gollum reading out the phone and the text number (usually incorrectly), then asking Richardson what he thought of the game, then the numbers again, then asking Richardson about the performance of a specific player, then off to the studio for a round up of texts and Tweets and - again as they don't get any - we get puerile nonsense like "great result for the boys today, Briscoe for England, come on you Hull" and "referee bad but two points is all that counts come on you Hull" then it's back to Gollum and those numbers again.
It's criminal that a broadcaster of his experience is as bad at filling now, after all these years, as he is but it's also ridiculous that he's required to fill for so long. A phone in show should always be planned around the worst case scenario that nobody phones in. What are we going to do? What are we going to talk about?
Paul Cooke is actually a decent start. Forthright opinions, controversial figure, he'll not only get people ringing in to disagree with him but he's actually capable of starting something resembling a debate with the other "experts" in the meantime. I'd get rid of Gollum (would have done so a long time ago to be fair) and replace him with somebody who can first and foremost host a radio show (he can't) and secondly ask some proper questions. Then get somebody else alongside Cooke (possibly Murdoch but definitely not Richardson) who will go at it with him and have a proper debate/row that will then encourage callers to ring in.
TalkSport is a vile horrible thing but they do this trick of having one presenter with one view and one presenter with a diametrically opposite view (whether they believe it or not) really well and callers flood in to tell one he's talking nonsense. Cooke is ideal for this.
And while I'm ranting, Craig Murdoch and James Smailes please note that asking for the thoughts on today's game, then asking if anybody is injured, and then running through each player one by one saying "Yeaman went well today didn't he?", "Manu went well today didn't he?" Did you think Westerman went well today Peter?" Is not an interview. You can hear the disdain in Gentle's voice as he replies "Oh yeh, you know, Kirk/Willie/Joe/Bruce/Brian is a good player. Look, we've just get to get that consistency into our game" and then repeats the same thing for every player.
Ask him a question for the love of God.
Sorry, it's my line of work, and it's cringeworthy to listen to it done that badly.'"
Excellent post
I hope you forward this to RH.
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| Quote Jake the Peg="Jake the Peg"Doesn't make his views/opinions any less valid and he's certainly more knowledgable on the game than pretty much every poster on RLFANS'"
Here here
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