no different to Paul Wellens the other night when he explained that the fans deserved better after the dross served up against the Quins - as you imply,it's as though they couldn't raise themselves to that level for the previous game - it's their job to give 'a performance' every game surely ?

so agar himself states that should hull lose the buck stops with him, then after defeat radford says its down to the players, spin, spin and spin, im getting dizzy with all this spin, i know as employees they will tow the company line but we aint f@cking stupid, and we wont buy into it. too late for that.

That niggled me, too.

That line got to me as well!
It shows the kind of mentality in the camp with such statements.

Also he said (something like) they were buzzing about the last two performances, before going into this game.

We can still make top 6 - how aspirational!

The comment about 'owing everyone a performance' is sympotamatic of the way the club has gone over the past few years. When Rich Agar said the other week 'our effort was good' I nearly fell over in amazement - 100 per cent effort is the MINIMUM requirement every week is it not? Now Radders is saying we're 'owed a performance'. Well, thanks for that observation Lee. We're owed more than that after the rubbish we've put with during the past three or four seasons! Yes, Saints were turned over at home by Harlequins but we all knew that they had the ability to go and win at Leeds the following week. Could you ever see us turning one of the big sides over on their own patch even if we were flying? I couldn't.

The fact that everyone was 'buzzing' after Wigan is, as I said earlier, a sad indictment of how far we've fallen. We were in front for almost the entire game and lost it in the dying minutes to a side reduced to 12 men. When something like that happens, you should be 'gutted', 'as sick as a parrot', or, if you wish to avoid cliches, rather fed up. You most certainly should not be buzzing. Unless you're Agar and you're buzzing off.

I know. I'm so happy I could wee.

Awful, isn't it?

How far backwards we've fallen in a few years if that's the aims of people in the club.

Precisely. Do fans really expect him to say anything different.

Agar will get a stay of execution I feel, another 3 games or something like that.

I wonder who's turn it will be tomorrow to sound a t1t.

Mr Undroppable wants the current coach to stay what a surprise.

until the seasons just about totally fooked then..woo hoo!