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| Quote: mosher "I thought Watts (other than THAT pass) and Bowden went well last night.'"
Sorry I didn't mean just based on last nights performances from the players I named I meant they aren't good enough to be 3 of our starting 4 props for the season.
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| Quote: Superbowl Scott "Looking at the team from last night Yeaman, Green, Watts, Bowden, Hadley, and Feka ain't good enough. Our props are painfully slow at the play the ball apart from Paea. I've said since pre season we'll be in the bottom 4 and right now it'll be bottom 2 imo.
Picture us going into next season with Taylor, Watts, Bowden, Green and BTW as our props. Would go okay in the Championship I suppose.'"
Did yeaman play the full game? 4 tackles, 4 missed tackles and 7 hit ups for a total of 41m according to the SL website. Might as we have stayed at home
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Did yeaman play the full game? 4 tackles, 4 missed tackles and 7 hit ups for a total of 41m according to the SL website. Might as we have stayed at home'"
Quite.
Although he did emerge into the spotlight to scream at Watts in a temper at the end. Perhaps should keep schtum and start polishing his black pot.
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| Quote: mosher "I thought Watts (other than THAT pass) and Bowden went well last night.'"
Watts should never have been put in that position by Houghton, but he seems to be immune from criticism.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "Hull never really played on Wigan's nerves last night which was surprising. Our confidence looks shot and whilst we should have scored far more points from the possession we had, we weren't given much to worry about defensively.
It was all a bit one out from Hull I thought. If you'd have moved the ball around a bit more there was plenty of space. Cas hit the flanks time and again last week against us and killed us but the Hull centres/wings didn't see much ball.
Two nervous sides on show IMO.'"
Move the ball around? What kind of dark art is that?! We haven't passed the ball around for 7 years and we aren't starting now
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| Quote: NickyKiss "Hull never really played on Wigan's nerves last night which was surprising. Our confidence looks shot and whilst we should have scored far more points from the possession we had, we weren't given much to worry about defensively.
It was all a bit one out from Hull I thought. If you'd have moved the ball around a bit more there was plenty of space. Cas hit the flanks time and again last week against us and killed us but the Hull centres/wings didn't see much ball.
Two nervous sides on show IMO.'"
Or centres are too slow so it wouldn't make any difference
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| Quiet amusing when we started chanting; Pass the ball, Pass the ball, pass the ball. Says it all really. One man rugby.
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| Quote: number 6 "Or centres are too slow so it wouldn't make any difference'"
And once it hits Yeaman it will just stop dead anyway.....
Yeaman certainly is finished it now. he's good defensively, but offers nothing in offence. But who do you replace him with?
Back line sis soooo slooooow its unbelievable. Do we start putting in the faster youngsters?
Sneyd needs to attack the line more and stop being a shoveller ... hope he's not playing to a game plan because if he is its ruining his game. He show glimpses of what he an do second half last night.
OFC missing the touch kick was just shocking ..
And finally - that's two games where a prop has ended up with the ball at the end when we could have been in a winning position... WTF... I really hope we can lean from this - Radford needs to show this bit on loop until it sinks in that it was match losing play... not really Wattsy's fault - he shouldn't even of had it...
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| Quote: number 6 "Or centres are too slow so it wouldn't make any difference'"
As an outsider I can't get my head round what happened with Crooks. He looked a top young talent but like many do he suffered a bit of a dip. He needed managing through that but seemed to be dumped.
I could be way off and it could have been an attitude thing but he seems the type of centre you guys need. I'd actually like to see us move for him at some point if he doesn't get picked in the first team at Parramatta.
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| Quote: mk_fc "And once it hits Yeaman it will just stop dead anyway.....
Yeaman certainly is finished it now. he's good defensively, but offers nothing in offence. But who do you replace him with?
Back line sis soooo slooooow its unbelievable. Do we start putting in the faster youngsters?
Sneyd needs to attack the line more and stop being a shoveller ... hope he's not playing to a game plan because if he is its ruining his game. He show glimpses of what he an do second half last night.
OFC missing the touch kick was just shocking ..
And finally - that's two games where a prop has ended up with the ball at the end when we could have been in a winning position... WTF... I really hope we can lean from this - Radford needs to show this bit on loop until it sinks in that it was match losing play... not really Wattsy's fault - he shouldn't even of had it...'"
Sneyd is the one I thought should have took us on more last night. When he did he threatened us but he seemed content to pass the ball most of the time.
He tried a cross field kick in your own twenty near the end. It was a risky play in that area of the field but I thought he could have been a bit more inventive earlier on and try things like that around half way. He's a flair player and shackling him won't do him any good.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "As an outsider I can't get my head round what happened with Crooks. He looked a top young talent but like many do he suffered a bit of a dip. He needed managing through that but seemed to be dumped.
I could be way off and it could have been an attitude thing but he seems the type of centre you guys need. I'd actually like to see us move for him at some point if he doesn't get picked in the first team at Parramatta.'"
He was left out because Radford would rather take the safe (read negative) option. Hence he picks dross like Yeaman who is a reasonable tackler but couldn't beat an egg let alone a defender.
Crooks had things to work on in defence and Radford didn't want to make the effort or take the chance. As long as we are solid defensively it doesn't matter that we are completely toothless in attack.
Someone will now quote me saying that Crooks was frozen out because he had a poor attitude to training etc. But that's rubbish.
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| Not me zuccini I totally agree
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| Yeaman didn't repay Radford's defensive faith in him last night. Literally run over twice by Wigan. Don't normally feel comfortable slating individuals but I am worried he's becoming a liability.
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| Quote: WormInHand "Yeaman didn't repay Radford's defensive faith in him last night. Literally run over twice by Wigan. Don't normally feel comfortable slating individuals but I am worried he's becoming a liability.'"
He's given us a lot of good service, but even at his best he was never very talented. He always gave 100% effort and scored a lot of tries off good service by Cooke. These days the effort is still there but he hasn't been effective for years and has lost a lot of pace.
Is Logan ready to be playing week in week out yet? Perhaps not, but it didn't harm the likes of Percival and Swift at Saints.
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| i cannot understand Radford going on about the defence, we bombed two high balls, they should have scored at least two more tries in the first 20 minutes, we were lucky still to be in it, it was only because they were inept, the worst Wigan side I have ever seen. There were no positives to take from that performance.
FWIW we need pace in the centres, we need to stop coming back on the inside, we need to let sneyd play with freedom, westerman needs to re discover some form, and we need to have full team playing with the passion of houghton and talanoa. Rant over, bring on catalan.
Took a friend to the game last night over from spain, was in the bulls squad in the 90's knows his rugby, hadn't been to a live game in 15 years. He couldn't believe how one dimensional the game had become, where is the flair, where is the skill, think he left quite depressed about what RL has turned into.
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