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| Quote: Smiggs "I heard that and it sounded cringe worthy. Is that the message we are sending out now, our coach is a hard case and will rule by intimidation. I hope not.'"
That's been the message from day one of his appointment. Doesn't seem to have borne fruit so far.
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12839_1486909898.png [b:16wvcohs]"To play your best football you need players with enthusiasm and drive and energy." - [i:16wvcohs]Peter Sterling[/i:16wvcohs][/b:16wvcohs]
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| Quote: WormInHand "When I first heard of Radford's appointment my concern wasn't his technical ability or his man-management skills per se, more his man management abilities over that particular set of men. Despite his and Pearson's assurances of his authority being absolute and the respect from the players equally so, I have retained doubts over how true this will come to be when push comes to shove.
It has been interesting to see how old friends such as Yeamo have perked up since his tenure. Not surprisingly, since Gentle took Yeamo out of his comfort zone and asked some hard questions. Now his mucker's in charge he's happy and pumped-up - and firmly back in the comfort zone. I don't know if a coup led to Gentle's demise (although I suspect it did) and I don't know which players are/were Radder's drinking buddies, although we do know he joined them all for the celebratory ding-dong in Blackpool, simultaneously heading jubilantly west en masse as we were all returning east shell-shocked after Huddersfield. Either way, rewarding players for the ousting of one boss to replace him with the one they all want is sending out a crazy message and is no way going to solve the cancerous culture at the club we're so sick of seeing.
Those players needed managing as it is intolerable that they should be allowed to wag the dog to their own ends. Now they've got what they want, their own manager who they picked and say they'll play for. And perhaps they intend to, in all sincerity. But what when it goes wrong and things need putting right? Will Radford drop Yeamo? Westerman? Crooks? Lineham? If necessary? If he was the coach of any other team I'd say yes, without a doubt. But I think he's too close to this particular set of men, who, to my mind have imposed on him a debt of gratitude by helping secure him the job on top of the fact that he was also a friend. Always a tricky one, and a situation which most companies avoid by moving newly promoted managers to a department where they've never worked before.
Hope I'm wrong, mind.'"
We won't know until at least half a season has passed and we see how the coach actually coaches. Which was my main point really.
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12839_1486909898.png [b:16wvcohs]"To play your best football you need players with enthusiasm and drive and energy." - [i:16wvcohs]Peter Sterling[/i:16wvcohs][/b:16wvcohs]
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| Quote: FCFaithful Stu "So on to FC and the sports news this morning and to hear Feka give an interview about how tough Radford is and that he is handy with his fists and I just feel nothing will change while we have a mentality of fear and not inspiration. This isn't a soft approach as you work on the principle that a player lets his team mates down and they quickly get left out of the culture you are trying to create. Remember RL contracts are short enough that you can let a player rot at a duel-reg club for the remainder of his contract.'"
And since Radford has already affiliated with not one but two duAl reg clubs let's hope that is a sign of his intentions.
Some people seem to have written Radford off on the basis of 4 pre season friendlies and the fact that he's a good boxer. I've no idea how he will go as a coach but I'm prepared to let him coach a SL season first and then decide.
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| Quote: Staffs FC "And since Radford has already affiliated with not one but two duAl reg clubs let's hope that is a sign of his intentions.
Some people seem to have written Radford off on the basis of 4 pre season friendlies and the fact that he's a good boxer. I've no idea how he will go as a coach but I'm prepared to let him coach a SL season first and then decide.'"
Not writing him off, I would love him to succeed. He probably still has every chance. The problem with the fear approach though is that it has little effect on the seasoned professionals that have seen it all before and it just intimidates the younger players to the point where they are scared to death to play creatively and you just end up with them playing within themselves so they don't make mistakes.
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12839_1486909898.png [b:16wvcohs]"To play your best football you need players with enthusiasm and drive and energy." - [i:16wvcohs]Peter Sterling[/i:16wvcohs][/b:16wvcohs]
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| Quote: FCFaithful Stu "Not writing him off, I would love him to succeed. He probably still has every chance. The problem with the fear approach though is that it has little effect on the seasoned professionals that have seen it all before and it just intimidates the younger players to the point where they are scared to death to play creatively and you just end up with them playing within themselves so they don't make mistakes.'"
That would presumably depend on how the 'stick' part of the approach is used. For example it might focus on preparation, lifestyle and attitude rather than mistakes on game day. In other words it's more to do with a player's overall attitude to his career and employment responsibilities rather than his stats in any given game. Once the potential talent has been identified and an employment contract has been agreed it's down to pure hard work and dedication, and a willingness to be the best that you can be. Come in to training worse for wear and not in the right shape to work and you get the stick. As you say some of our seasoned pros won't be worried because they have already bought into that regime - some of them becoming internationals as a result. If Radford can build in a winning attitude and mentality to the younger players then he will have progressed the club. Whether he can who knows at this stage ?
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| Quote: Staffs FC "That would presumably depend on how the 'stick' part of the approach is used. For example it might focus on preparation, lifestyle and attitude rather than mistakes on game day. In other words it's more to do with a player's overall attitude to his career and employment responsibilities rather than his stats in any given game. Once the potential talent has been identified and an employment contract has been agreed it's down to pure hard work and dedication, and a willingness to be the best that you can be. Come in to training worse for wear and not in the right shape to work and you get the stick. As you say some of our seasoned pros won't be worried because they have already bought into that regime - some of them becoming internationals as a result. If Radford can build in a winning attitude and mentality to the younger players then he will have progressed the club. Whether he can who knows at this stage ?'"
That is exactly how it should work. But everyone has bad days and when the pressure starts to bite after a few poor results that strong discipline can easily spill over into becoming negative and a blame culture.
Imagine being 10th in the league after 5 games. FC are 4 points up with 3 minutes left to play and one of the younger players makes a clean break up the field and is set to go the length of the field. He has a player screaming for the ball on his inside as he approaches the opposition full-back, but backs himself and tries to run over the full-back, loses the ball in the tackle and within a couple of tackles the opposition have gone up the field and scored under the posts. FC lose the game by 2 points, how does that play out with an under fire coach that rules with fear.
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12839_1486909898.png [b:16wvcohs]"To play your best football you need players with enthusiasm and drive and energy." - [i:16wvcohs]Peter Sterling[/i:16wvcohs][/b:16wvcohs]
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| Quote: FCFaithful Stu "That is exactly how it should work. But everyone has bad days and when the pressure starts to bite after a few poor results that strong discipline can easily spill over into becoming negative and a blame culture.
Imagine being 10th in the league after 5 games. FC are 4 points up with 3 minutes left to play and one of the younger players makes a clean break up the field and is set to go the length of the field. He has a player screaming for the ball on his inside as he approaches the opposition full-back, but backs himself and tries to run over the full-back, loses the ball in the tackle and within a couple of tackles the opposition have gone up the field and scored under the posts. FC lose the game by 2 points, how does that play out with an under fire coach that rules with fear.'"
Like I say it depends how that 'ruling by fear' is actually applied which neither of us know. And the scenario you paint could just as easily happen whoever was coach we've all seen it before
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| Quote: FCFaithful Stu "That is exactly how it should work. But everyone has bad days and when the pressure starts to bite after a few poor results that strong discipline can easily spill over into becoming negative and a blame culture.
Imagine being 10th in the league after 5 games. FC are 4 points up with 3 minutes left to play and one of the younger players makes a clean break up the field and is set to go the length of the field. He has a player screaming for the ball on his inside as he approaches the opposition full-back, but backs himself and tries to run over the full-back, loses the ball in the tackle and within a couple of tackles the opposition have gone up the field and scored under the posts. FC lose the game by 2 points, how does that play out with an under fire coach that rules with fear.'"
Are you suggesting Radford cannot distinguish between a genuine error in the context of a game situation and someone who's attitude and commitment as a whole not been good enough?
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| Ruling by fear is just a media line, Radford's nothing like that in reality.
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12839_1486909898.png [b:16wvcohs]"To play your best football you need players with enthusiasm and drive and energy." - [i:16wvcohs]Peter Sterling[/i:16wvcohs][/b:16wvcohs]
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| Quote: *1865* "Ruling by fear is just a media line, Radford's nothing like that in reality.'"
It's certainly got some people believing it.
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| Quote: Staffs FC "It's certainly got some people believing it.'"
I'm gonna be terrified sat in the West stand near the dugouts.
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| Quote: Staffs FC "It's certainly got some people believing it.'"
More people are disappointed with the message than concerned about it's accuracy. At best it's condescending.
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| Quote: Kosh "More people are disappointed with the message than concerned about it's accuracy. At best it's condescending.'"
Can't say I share that assessment of it. And clearly some think that there'll be fists flying at every training session
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| Heard we're signing Carvell tomorrow must be bad injurys for watts n green if true
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| Quote: Legends and Icons "Heard we're signing Carvell tomorrow'"
No chance.
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