Might be right Jake but then I am trying to remember how bad we were this time last season when Salford and Leeds stuffed us at the KC.

That was April but we do seem to have this sort of poor run and performances around this time most seasons.

We haven't started well the last two seasons. We just dont seem to be able to perform when the weather is poor. We play our best rugby when its hot, the grounds are hard and we can play at the line at a high tempo. We often struggle to adapt when the conditions dont really allow this. Our lack of any real creativity with ball in hand is a concern.

thought abdull would help with our attack, for anybody who went how did he go? we have had 2 good years so a hiccup and that's what I hope it is was gonna happen it does every year, be nice to get some of the injured back, mini on what ive seen looks a tad of the pace, we need to get a win against cats,

Im sorry but weve seen time and time again poor performances from this (Radfords) team

Were as far away from winning a GF as we have ever been

Sneyd, Shaul, Mini all poor this season so far, Conners not an half back, Watts (our best forward) seems to of been sold because of a disagreement then Radders spat his dummy out

Crap against Hudds apart from 20 minutes, Crap against Wigan, Average against Cas and Warrington, Played better against Leeds but still started off poorly (again) and if it wasnt for a disallowed try would of been 16-0 down in 15 minutes! Crap against Salford

Attrocious start to the season imo

Two games in both 2016 and 2017?

We stuttered after round six last year with one point from six - the big lead at Warrington thrown away and the thrashings at home to Salford and Leeds. In 2016 we lost rounds three to five.

If we can win the next three we'll only be two points behind where we were at the same stage in 2016 and one in 2017. That's with Wigan, Cas and Leeds away done.

How often do you come on here with anything other than moans about the team. If they're so bad why do you bother following them (I won't say supporting as that's not what you do). Every team will have a bad result or two during the season but its what happens in August and September that matters.

Though it's a disappointing result last night Salford are no mugs as they have some quality in their squad. We are missing Houghton & Kelly that's us clear but also Manu is a massive miss too for us.
We do however need to improve our attacking threat as the lack of support play, dummy runners & players running decent lines is still a factor. We rely far too much on Kelly's maverick plays & Sneyds kicks.
An attack coach is something we really could do with. We are laboured passing down the line and pretty static moving forward and stand far too deep giving up vital metres.
That said we are usually have a bad run at some stage and it's been a poor start with injuries all is not lost at this early stage.

I'm not so much worried about losing, it's the manner in which we lost that worries me. We have had 2 amazing seasons with average attack and it really is about time we got that sorted. Our last tackle options are clueless and oppositions really aren't having to work hard at keeping us out because we are so predictable. I've said it before and will continue to say it, but I'd kill to have Paul Cooke here as an attacking coach as I think that's what is missing.

You may say a moan but he has an opinion. For my two pence worth I agree with Seb. Apart from the obvious of missing so many first team players we have mediocrity from too many other players on the pitch. Mini is well past his best & is becoming a liability. Sneyd never a bright lad makes loads of errors with ball in hand, and no variation in kicking other than kicking on the third or fourth which is okay if there was someone there to kick to. Too many times we just fizzle out on the fifth. Shaul always a confidence player is well off form n has been for too long. Washy a journeyman but you have to ask can we afford it. Talanoa becoming a defensive liability. Griffin too hit n miss. Tumivave flatters to deceive at times. That’s why we’re struggling whether Radford can iron it out remains to be seen.

Agree there Karen as our go forward is probably up there as one of the best in SL but our options in the opposition 20 are poor. As I said in my last post we lack runners and support play which makes it far too easy to defend against us as the opposition don't have to second guess. This is an area we've lacked since McRae back in the early 2000's

9 defeats in our last 11 sl games according to sky. Needs to improve and quick. In his interview Radford seemed to intimate they were looking at someone to replace watts. Would be happy if it was Josh jones

Our attack has been poor for a few seasons.
Passing is laboured , slow and ponderous. I think expectations have been heightened after our Cup successes. We have now lost 3 major members of our squad in Ellis , Fonua and Watts .
Without the brilliance of Kelly at times we have no plan B .
There is still time to improve, but this year will pass us by if we are not careful. Let’s hope with the return of certain players fortunes will change .

It's two wins in the last eleven away games. We've not won back to back away games since last May.

Jones would be a good long term replacement for Mini but I'd like us to bring in an impact prop to replace Watts.