Maybe a bit of both, you do wonder who identified Arundel as a man to give a 4 year contract.

However, it appears from what he has said that Gentle identified Jason Crookes who does look a good signing, particularly with Briscoe set to leave.

Andy hay will have been the man to identify Arundel.

Arundel is young, and will take time, he was a top prospect at Cas and he should be given more time, maybe that means out of the first team for a while longer.

BOT and as for Gentle, my concern is more to do with can he get them fired up enough? And not about set pieces and plays, I'm sure they must work hard on those but the players are not delivering.

At times last night it seemed to me (maybe because we were getting battered) that the players had given up and there was nobody to get them by the scruff of the neck and lead them? PG can't do that whilst they are on the pitch.

A good halfback will of course dictate the plays and lead them around the park from a technical point of view, but there can be no substitute for a man out there who leads by example and is prepares to give his own players a rocket when required.

Roy Keane was a good/excellent player, but he was one hell of a captain and leader.

I just dont see that on the pitch and for me is a far bigger issue than PG.

I wonder if Green and Crooks really had knocks? I suspect that because we were paying Widnes that PG thought it was an ideal game to try and use Arundel and Seyour, give them a bit of game time and confidence in an easy win?

An interesting view point; one all should read. Is this an accurate reflection? www.leaguefreak.com/hull-fc-are-a-bad-joke-3859/

An interesting view point; one all should read. Is this an accurate reflection? www.leaguefreak.com/hull-fc-are-a-bad-joke-3859/

He makes some very good points in that piece.

It'll have been entirely accidental.

We have replaced Moa, Manu and Turner.

We've also "upgraded" a few positions, McDonnell for McKinnon, Crookes for Sharp, Holdsworth for Ellis ect and signed some of our younger stars to longer deals.

Don't get me wrong our performances haven't been good enough but people are looking for problems that aren't there.

Actually, having read it now it's just his usual BS wind-up routine. And he isn't, and never has been, a Hull FC fan as he claims.

Some relevant points by League Freak albeit made in his unique "style". I think/hope the youth development point is being addressed, but the eternal issue about unfulfilled potential resonates.

The major problem here is the club are trying to build confidence in the fanbase of future potential. The number of false dawns since 2006 means the optimism is fragile. Two comprehensive defeats by proper top 4 clubs, and, let's be honest, a total humiliation at Widnes, means that optimism is close to shattering. People are stretched financially and have more compelling options for their cash. Immediate response is needed and there'll be major pressure on this week.

Opinions are there to debated, correct or incorrect.

Ok. Will you give us Briscoe in exchange for Vickery please.

Agreed, most people will not pay good money to watch a losing/poorly performing team.

ive said since the start of the season, people will really have to reign in their expectations with this squad. recruitment has being poor, we have not replaced Manu and Moa. We have no spark and creativity, we are slow predictable. Very very disapointing. AP put his trust in SM and PG to get the recruitment right and he has being badly let down imo. AP wants to win silverware in the next 2-3 years with this squad he has no chance what so ever, Briscoe will be off at the end of this season and who can blame him because he is not going to win anything here! good luck to the lad.