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really pleased with this signing,young,talented and british.now lets hope we can top it up with a back up halfback to end the week.

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Good luck to him. I hope he flourishes with you. It's just a shame we couldn't do it.

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Quote: Big Dave T "Looks like the writing is on the wall for Washy and Whiting. Can see them both leaving over the next 12 months.'"


Depends. As others have mentioned, I can see Washbrook spelling with Houghton now, and I don't see why this would automatically be the trigger for Whiting to look to move. He's been here 6 years and never had a sniff of loose forward but still been happy to stay. I can still see him moving to 2nd row one day should he put on some weight.

As for the general signing of Westerman, I'm happy with it. Mostly because it gives a strong signal of changing our setup in attack. I can't see us forking out a transfer fee and a 4-year deal to then change his position, so it's a proper loose forward at last. His off-field reputation is hopefully something relatively easy to fix (and Tansey could come in useful there).

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Quote: Robbo4 "Cas need the money so my gut feeling is that if the money was right they would have accepted an offer for Chase.

Anyway it's still a signing to be pleased about so I'll await further recruitment developments before commenting too much.'"


There are always certain moves that would just have too much fallout for clubs to sanction though. With Chase being their talisman now, unless he tells Cas he wants out I don't think they can afford to do it. Could be a catastrophic reaction from their fans.

It's a bit like us and a slightly different situation. We desperately need a halfback more than anything else, and there's a certain somebody available, but we still shouldn't possibly entertain the notion under any circumstances.

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As for the general signing of Westerman, I'm happy with it. Mostly because it gives a strong signal of changing our setup in attack. I can't see us forking out a transfer fee and a 4-year deal to then change his position, so it's a proper loose forward at last. '"


Agree with that.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "Washy, maybe. As Paul says, though, Washy could rotate at hooker with Houghton this year and Whiting's contracted until 2013 IIRC and can cover anywhere bar prop but mainly cover for the backs, particularly FB and centre. Although that then leaves Turner, scrapping with Whiting for a back-up centre spot, and I think Turner needs gametime to develop.'"


Not personally convinced by Turner and wouldn't be disappointed if the club let him go. Not good enough for a 6 IMO, we have better options at 13 (particularly now), and I see him as about 4th/5th in line for a centre spot when fully fit. I'd certainly go with Whiting above him every time.

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Quote: Big Dave T "Thats my point really. Whiting at this stage in his career probably needs to be thinking about more than simply scrapping for a back up spot that isn't even his preferred position.'"


I've said countless times since he's been here, and I still believe it, that with another stone in weight Whiting could do what Chris Chester did for us. So he'd be the wide-runner with Westerman staying at LF.

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Quote: carl_spackler "Depends. As others have mentioned, I can see Washbrook spelling with Houghton now, and I don't see why this would automatically be the trigger for Whiting to look to move. He's been here 6 years and never had a sniff of loose forward but still been happy to stay. I can still see him moving to 2nd row one day should he put on some weight.

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Well if Rovelli signs to play 9 and cover 6/7 Washy wont get a sniff.

My point about Whiting was 'how long will he tolerate not getting a sniff?' Yes he's been here 6 years and not looked to move on but the signing of Westerman is our 1st long term indicator as to who our 13 is. Fitz for example was always going to be a 2 year deal. Whiting would have sat there and thought 'i'll learn all i can from Fitz and take over from him in 2012.' Whiting will now be sat there thinking 'so where do i fit'

Different scenario in play here for me.

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Quote: carl_spackler "I've said countless times since he's been here, and I still believe it, that with another stone in weight Whiting could do what Chris Chester did for us. So he'd be the wide-runner with Westerman staying at LF.'"


I dont disagree. The one problem though is that Whiting has spoken about this himself previously but doesnt seem able to put the weight on.

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Quote: Big Dave T "I dont disagree. The one problem though is that Whiting has spoken about this himself previously but doesnt seem able to put the weight on.'"

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Quote: PAUL M "I tend to think it's a position we do need to strengthen. In order to play more exciting rugby and look more dangerous in attack we need a more traditional 13. There is Whiting although he has never been tried there so we don't know about him and there is also Washy who seems to me like he will now be the backup hooker to Houghton. For me the key pivots are 1, 6, 7, 9 and 13 and our starting players in those positions are all quality players and british, Tansey, Horne, Long, Houghton and Westerman. We do need cover for the halves and we need good recruitment next year for the haklves but players like Tansey and Westerman will be crucial in our style of play assuming we are trying to change it.'"


eusa_clap.gif Is right mate, well said. Cracking signing and anyone thinking different needs to wake up. There's a lot of quality in them positions you've mentioned too mate, all English quality. I'm delighted with this signing, seen the rumours on here for a while just glad they came through. I can't understand why anyone is questioning the transfer fee paid either, if it is £150,00 it's nothing, it's not like we can't afford it. The lad's only 20, he has a very bright career ahead (I'm delighted it'll be with us) and bags of talent, he couldn't want to play with a better group right now and he will flourish under fitzy's guidance.

Why are we trying to give him a new position on here. Agar has paid a nice transfer fee, chased him for a considerable time I would imagine and brought him in now so he can work under/with Fitz, surely there's no way he'll play anywhere else other than 13 unless for cover.

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Quote: Hutchie "I would say Burnett and wouldnt be suprised to see him leave this off season'"


I wouldn't be surprised either, but he's not kicked on enough, TBH. And he still gives away far too many penalties too.

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Quote: carl_spackler "There are always certain moves that would just have too much fallout for clubs to sanction though. With Chase being their talisman now, unless he tells Cas he wants out I don't think they can afford to do it. Could be a catastrophic reaction from their fans.

It's a bit like us and a slightly different situation. We desperately need a halfback more than anything else, and there's a certain somebody available, but we still shouldn't possibly entertain the notion under any circumstances.'"

If a lack of cash causes them to put in a substandard franchise application then they won't keep hold of him in NL1 anyway. The long term future of their club would be more important than hanging onto Chase for another season. This is all hypothetical to an extent but if the money is right then no player is ever not for sale.

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If rovelli is signed then I see no choice other than to loan out Washbrook and Burnett for the duration of their final year.

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Quote: carl_spackler "I wouldn't be surprised either, but he's not kicked on enough, TBH. And he still gives away far too many penalties too.'"


Burnett is a frustrating one. Always had the strength and skill to make it but has had a very average 2010. Either needs to kick on big style pre-season for 2011 or be loaned out for 12 months to develop.

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