Do you mean 2019 and not 2020

Got to pick you up on a couple of things here. I'll use Leeds as an example.

The lack of our own Stadium - largely irrelevant to be honest. The maintenance cost / replacement cost alone make this more of a burden then a real asset.

Leeds Rhinos do not own Headingley and share it with the RU club. Its owned by YCCC.

Match day income usually correlated with bums on seats. Sadly, I am not sure what the missing FC fans want after 2 wembley wins, there are still around 2000 missing home fans from around 2010 / 2011 - when were were really poor and the recession had bitten hard.


Leeds have 4 large rooms which they use for corproate guests for meals / drinks pre & post game. Each of these room has approx 150-200 guests in. Work on the basis of £100 income per head (concervative est having seen personally how much some will then plough behind the bar / raffles / draws etc). There is an additional £60k per game.


Leeds also have a significant sponsor in the Leeds Building Society as well as a wealthy owner.


Given our merchanide sales are what they are, I am supprised you think we lack in non matchday income. So good are Hull at Generating sales of this nature, Leeds actually head hunter their commercial retain manager a few years ago (not sure if he is still there?)



Large profile sponsor, more corporate tables and more fans coming back throught the turnstyles.
Thats the answer.

I thought Caddick owned Leeds stadium, no way would YCCC be in a position to redevelop the rugby ground?

Caddick sold the cricket stadium to Yorkshire CCC in 2005.

Did that include the Rugby stadium?

Caddick bought "Headingley" in 1996, when it included both a rugby stadium and a cricket stadium, he sold the cricket stadium to YCCC in 2005.

Lee is now CEO of XBlades in the UK

My info says Rhinos aren’t paying for the redevelopment, YCCC and Leeds Council funding it with Euro/Lottery money??? Caddick’s building company doing the work though. I believe there was an article in the Yorkshire Post when the development was announced.

Lots of incorrect info on here about Leeds The actual financial side of the redevelopment is fiendishly complicated with stand owning companies being set up and Leeds council being involved for various reasons almost all to do with Yorkshire and their existing debt burden and a desire to structure the new debt in a particular way plus get favourable interest rates. But Leeds own the RL ground and are the only party putting any cash into it direct - this article in the Yorkshire Post gives details if you're really interested and suggests the amount Leeds are putting in up front figure is £5m which sounds about right: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/le ... -1-9221243 FWIW the benefits of ground ownership are huge IF you can generate other revenue from it, like Leeds, Warrington and Saints can. On the other hand I doubt the other ground-owner in SL, Cas, generate that much in the way of non-gameday revenue so their benefits are less marked and they probably have some pretty chronic ongoing maintenance costs notwithstanding the size of the ground.

Lots of incorrect info on here about Leeds The actual financial side of the redevelopment is fiendishly complicated with stand owning companies being set up and Leeds council being involved for various reasons almost all to do with Yorkshire and their existing debt burden and a desire to structure the new debt in a particular way plus get favourable interest rates. But Leeds own the RL ground and are the only party putting any cash into it direct - this article in the Yorkshire Post gives details if you're really interested and suggests the amount Leeds are putting in up front figure is £5m which sounds about right: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/le ... -1-9221243 FWIW the benefits of ground ownership are huge IF you can generate other revenue from it, like Leeds, Warrington and Saints can. On the other hand I doubt the other ground-owner in SL, Cas, generate that much in the way of non-gameday revenue so their benefits are less marked and they probably have some pretty chronic ongoing maintenance costs notwithstanding the size of the ground.

The question of KCom stadium ownership will be a hot potato if rumours regarding Allam shifting City for a quid after the parachute payments expire. Stadium Management Company loaded with debt and no doubt the football club also. Stand up Pearson’s mysterious partner.

It's an interesting one. Rovers don't own their ground and made £100k last year on events but that period included the Paul Heaton concert and obviously the sum was dwarfed by the loss of half a million on the rugby. Odd that they keep the revenue from events in a separate company with separate shareholdings. It's obviously good to generate income but only seems a money spinner to the same extent as putting 500 on pass sales.

As has been said already the real opportunity for us is to get 1-2k back on the gate and bigger commercial sponsorship.Maybe the supporters being advocates of what the club are trying to achieve could help.

I think Nick Barmby has some involvement

The reason FC are stagnating despite consecutive CC finals is quite frankly indifferent form

Over the last three years i have on a number of times built up games to my wife and kids, bought tickets, bought more gear, got a taxi into town so we can have a few dinks, food out Prinny Ave (or Clarendon as weve started to like). The excitement builds, we get in the KC, feels great to be there.................and FC are completely dire.

Happens too many times especially with games they seem to build up - so thats a loss against Saints coming up and KRs first win in ages too

To be fair to the club on crowds I think the game as a whole has an issue, crowds are down across the league compared to what they were in say 2010. The club has improved its marketing massively over the last few years particularly on social media, and the team have lost one game at home all year, I can’t see what more they can do.

The problem is the general public have lost interest in RL, and I don’t think this format has delivered the crowds it has meant to. We face a summer of dead rubbers, we may not even leave 5th place at all and that doesn’t shift tickets. Even the derby may be a damp squib if Rovers are down and may as well rest players.

Now that of course that could still happen under a normal league structure, but with an easier run against lower ranker teams you’d still think we had a chance, against fellow top8 teams it becomes harder to win points and move up the table.

Even in years such as the last two where we have been top4 at the split I don’t recall crowds turning up in higher numbers. The format just hasnt excited the public.