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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Depends what you mean by "allowed to throw it forward".
If you mean in relation to the player, then no. If you mean in relation to the pitch, then yes you're allowed some leeway in how much it goes forward due to the laws of physics (which is no doubt the RFL's fault).'"
Yes, I was about to go on a huge rant about the RFL messing with the laws of physics.
I know how the forward pass rule works, thanks. Nothing in there about 'momentum' though. Relative to the pitch and not the other player, yes, of course. It's about the body shape / direction of the hands of the passer in relation to the pitch when the ball leaves their possession.
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| Roby was very influenced by the crowd yesterday shouting forward, I thought we had quite a few from dummy half that were borderline too. It seems to be creeping into the game where dummy half passes are getting flatter and flatter. I am not sure why this is, I assumed it was bad timing of the run but its too prevalent. I don't see what advantage is to be gained if teams are doing it on purpose.
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| Quote: OmneFC "But surely all that matters is whether or not the ball left the players hands at an angle greater than that perpendicular to his body - e.g. passing forward, and not where is ends up relative to the pitch'"
Which is exactly what the relevant Law states.
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| Quote: Kosh "Which is exactly what the relevant Law states.'"
So the law is based on common sense and people need to understand how physics works
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| Quote: OmneFC "So the law is based on common sense and people need to understand how physics works'"
I'm going to buy Wellsy a 'Physics for Dummies' book for Christmas.
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| Quote: Barnabus "Yes, I was about to go on a huge rant about the RFL messing with the laws of physics.
I know how the forward pass rule works, thanks. Nothing in there about 'momentum' though. Relative to the pitch and not the other player, yes, of course. It's about the body shape / direction of the hands of the passer in relation to the pitch when the ball leaves their possession.'"
Except herebecause of the thrower’s own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not
passed the ball forward in relation to himself. This is particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high, lobbed pass.
Perhaps you should read the laws first, and then keep hold of that Physics for Dummies book before sending it on to anyone else.
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| Just to be awkward as well, the ball doesn't actual travel forward due to the thrower's own momentum. It's due to the thrower's own velocity. But I won't keep going on about it
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Except herebecause of the thrower’s own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not
passed the ball forward in relation to himself. This is particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high, lobbed pass.
Perhaps you should read the laws first, and then keep hold of that Physics for Dummies book before sending it on to anyone else.'"
Are you Stevo?
That backs up exactly what I said, there is no 'momentum rule', and a forward pass is determined by the players body position when passing relative to the pitch. The bit you've highlighted in bold is merely an example to illustrate this point that the RFL have included to help out the gormclopses.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Just to be awkward as well, the ball doesn't actual travel forward due to the thrower's own momentum. It's due to the thrower's own velocity. But I won't keep going on about it
Thank God for that.
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| Quote: Barnabus "Are you Stevo?
That backs up exactly what I said, there is no 'momentum rule', and a forward pass is determined by the players body position when passing relative to the pitch. The bit you've highlighted in bold is merely an example to illustrate this point that the RFL have included to help out the gormclopses.'"
That's not what you said at all. You said there was nothing in there about momentum. There is, I just showed you it.
There is no "momentum rule", but the direction of the pass rule takes momentum into account. It's there in black and white. So when you said there was nothing in there about momentum, you was clearly wrong.
Edit: Just to add, the next part of your explanation is also wrong. It's not to do with a player's body position. His body could be pointing anywhere and the ball may still go forwards, backwards, or wherever.
The position on the hands is usually a good indicator as to the direction of the pass, but it's not what the rule is based on. Nowhere in the rules does it say what you've said. Again, perhaps you should read them before attempting to be patronising.
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| So due to the momentum rule I could through the ball forward, like a quarter back, and as long as i could run faster than the ball it wouldn't be classed as forward?
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "That's not what you said at all. You said there was nothing in there about momentum. There is, I just showed you it.
There is no "momentum rule", but the direction of the pass rule takes momentum into account. It's there in black and white. So when you said there was nothing in there about momentum, you was clearly wrong.'"
It's an example, that's all. Read it again, it's not part of the rule, the RFL have added the example on there to help out gormclopses who don't understand what the first line means.
The players body shape, hands, direction of the pass relative to the pitch is all that counts. That's it.
Edit: Hands are part of ones body.
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| Jesus...if the ball is going forward out of the passers hands its forward...bugger momentum and everything else...ITS FORWARD.
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| Quote: fc baldy "Jesus...if the ball is going forward out of the passers hands its forward...bugger momentum and everything else...ITS FORWARD.'"
Yep.
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| That Dobson pass was a mile forward.........
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