so we got beat by salford, a team who wanted to win more, more hungrier and deservedly won

just a note that salford beat saints last season, and saints still made the gf, the season isn't over after march

Just an observation. The 2 defeats were to the supposedly weakest teams in the league. Both away from home. Is the preparation different when we play away and can our coach get the players into the mindset for these sort of games that we are playing Melbourne Storm........ Like I say.... just an observation.

I think our match preparation is a real problem in general.

So I spent £30 last night for them to turn up at the end of the season?

i can accept losing against crusaders as a blip and the players dint turn up ect ect and we need to move on and learn from our mistakes. but we havent learned from our mistakes have we and that surley lies with the man in charge agar, he needs to make sure that players are well discliplined and well up for the game ect which we clearly wasnt. i think there was ethusiasm at times espcially the line speed cant fault that but in attack we looked like we coundt be botherd and looked disorginised

When they got beat at crusaders that should of been the learning curve for them.The truth is they were bloody awful away from home again and some players really do need to get a reality check.The disclipline and the attitude were all wrong and it is happening all to often.It is also upto the coach to get the team up for it, which imo agar is not doing.I will still reserve judgement for a few more games but on that showing they will be lucky to get a top eight place never mind top four.

I was starting to think that, especially with out away match preparation, what do we do differently on away matches? They just dont seem motavated or have their minds on the game when playing away(Saints been the exception). Are they too busy thinking of a night out they have planned for after the game or something?

I also heard last night they picked up Longy and Tickle from outside a pub in Salford(im not accusing them of drinking before anyone says), personally I think the team should all travel from one place and that they should have some sort of pre match tatic talk the morning of the game before setting off, you can't do this when your picking up 2 of your main players 10 mins from the ground.

Problem with that is that even though we beat Saints, were not as good as them. I wonder how many top sides (Leeds, Saints, Huddersfield, Warrington and Wigan) will go to Wales or Salford and lose both or even either, maybe one, if they have an off day.

we certainly aint no st helens...we will be nowhere near the grand final on last nights showing and anyone who thinks were better prepared than wire, wigan, leeds etc is kidding themselves....take your black and white tinted glasses off and have a good hard look at our failings.....

No it is a problem that a supposedly trophy chasing side go to the supposedly two worst teams and come back with no points.

Is finishing 7th or 8th good enough with the sqaud we have, because thats as high as we will finish with agar in charge, put Brown or Mcguire in charge of Hull and we would be joint top now.

The thing about these coachs is that they arent that high profile either, brown was out of a job and didnt do that well with St george and Mcguire has never coached first grade in the NRL. Both intelligent young coachs, we need soemone simalar to take us to the next level.

I think 6th would be a good finish for Hull if we had a good cup run (semi finals minimum) but can't see it happening. Wigan, Leeds, Huddersfield, Saints and Warrington are miles in front off us. We could easily finish 10th and below again if we carry on like this away from home and our home form starts to go.