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Quote: Mild Rover "He's yours until 2011, for better or worse - I think there is every chance it will be 'better' and that you've got other more pressing problems.'"

Bingo.

All this fuss about Horne seems a tad OTT given the position we're in TBH.

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Quote: Kosh "Bingo.

All this fuss about Horne seems a tad OTT given the position we're in TBH.'"


Call it contingency 'thinking' rather than planning in case worse case scenario comes true. Having no number 6 is pretty serious.

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Quote: Big Dave T "Not really, on his own terms he wouldnt want to be sat in the reserves for not re-negotiating. Hull definately have bargaining power here.

He's ours til 2011 yes, and i hope your right that it will be for the better. All im arguing on here is that we do have options though if it isnt, whether you agree with me or not. I still think that you're hugely overestimating the strength of the club's position in this case. Not to mention the strength of their determination.

I don't think that I can recall a single example of a player in Horne's position being treated as you suggest, which would indicate that it's not an attractive option for a club.

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Quote: Kosh "Bingo.

All this fuss about Horne seems a tad OTT given the position we're in TBH.'"


I agree. Horne has had good and bad games this season but has had issues to contend with due to his illness, his weight and also the fact that he has been coming back from a year out.

Add to that no SH to play alongside, switching of positions and playing behind a beaten pack then I think we need to back him. I think he will come good next season. If he doesn't and continues to have problems then look at it.

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Quote: Big Dave T "Call it contingency 'thinking' rather than planning in case worse case scenario comes true. Having no number 6 is pretty serious.'"

We do have other options there if the worst case scenario were to crop up. Whiting for one.

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Quote: Kosh "I still think that you're hugely overestimating the strength of the club's position in this case. Not to mention the strength of their determination.

I don't think that I can recall a single example of a player in Horne's position being treated as you suggest, which would indicate that it's not an attractive option for a club.'"


Youre right, i said earlier that ive never seen a club do it, i would guess FC wont act here either. My arguement is simply that they could should they want to/need to in order to free up a huge chunk of our cap if it isnt simply a drop in form.

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Quote: Kosh "We do have other options there if the worst case scenario were to crop up. Whiting for one.'"


Whiting or Washy would be options i agree. However, there are numerous choices here, most favourable one is to bring a recognised quality 6 in for me.

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Quote: Big Dave T "Targets are generally non-contractual but if Hull FC said to him that they werent happy with his performances and they wanted to put some objectives in place as a development plan he would need to go along with it really. (providing he wants to improve and get his old form back)

If he doesnt FC would struggle to dismiss him but you can bet he wouldnt get a game and he would be isolated until he left.'"


They could, but it would be incredibly harsh and very patronizing for a player of his stature. I'd be tempted to 'do a Winston Bogarde', if I was in that situation. Or demand a year's wages to clear off.

I don't think targets are what will see his form improve - it'll be having a better pack to play behind and Long at 7. Personal goals in a team sport could be dangerous, too:

Lets say one is score a minimum of 6 tries in a season. In a crucial game late in the season, with 5 tries in earlier matches, you find yourself through on the full back, with a support player on your shoulder. Normally you'd pass, but you need that sixth try so consider trying the dummy. Caught in two minds you hesitate...

You could try to be clever - tries and assists counting equally (just imagine every one screaming for the ball in oppositions 20!), but the best incentive is the simple and team-based win bonus. Not easy to manage the salary cap if it is too big, of course.

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Quote: Kosh "Excellent post, and sums up my feelings on the matter.'"

Change the record Kosh, your getting a tad boring. icon_rolleyes.gif

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R.Horne has been terrible for a while now this season, but before he is dropped I would actually like to see him as a running 6, used properly in defence and not asked to do any long range kicking

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Quote: Sebasteeno "Change the record Kosh, your getting a tad boring. My Irony-O-Meter just melted.

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Quote: Big Dave T "Its actually fairly straight forward to do as long as the club and the player sit down and agree jointly the objevtives/criteria for what would be classed as performing. The major issue which i think you were hinting at was the accurate measurement of the objectives/criteria. In the professional world a measure could be hitting 90% of milestones on a project or delivering ontime/on budget. In a professional sport the measures would be less black and white. Achieve a performance rating averaging 7 or above per 8 match period would be a measure but the subjectivity of where it would come from would be the issue.'"


Too much objectivity, too many external factors that could be influencing things. I'm sure if it was easy to sack a sporstman for lack of performance then the cash rich premiership football clubs would have been doing it for years instead of paying £ millions to garbage.

Horne could just turn around and say that his boss is rubbish and any case would fall flat on it's face

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Quote: Jake the Peg "Too much objectivity, too many external factors that could be influencing things. I'm sure if it was easy to sack a sporstman for lack of performance then the cash rich premiership football clubs would have been doing it for years instead of paying £ millions to garbage.

Horne could just turn around and say that his boss is rubbish and any case would fall flat on it's face'"


Yup, think weve kind of agreed that. My arguement is that it is technically possible should we need to have the contingency. Liklihood is zero but ive been speaking hypothetically.

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Quote: Big Dave T "Yup, think weve kind of agreed that. My arguement is that it is technically possible should we need to have the contingency. Liklihood is zero but ive been speaking BOLLOX.'"


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