I thought the same. Was a bad swinging arm

well 4 of us in the pub afterwards with almost 200 years worth of season passes between us sat head in hands and we reminisced about bad times gone by and commented that even in the darkest times of the 60's mid 70's the Casey days and the Lloyd days we had players that at least had a go. They might not have had the strength brains or stamina but they had a go, but this lot have a bit of a go at times and literally toss it off at others. We aint great but we can play to a plan when we want to but this lot really, lets face it, don't care about the watching fans who pay their wages at all and they play when they want to and can't be ar*ed when they feel that way. . We decided that's why a lot of the fans can't be d now either. I wonder if we'll ever get back to anything like 2016 because I think it will take longer to rise than it has to fall. Plus will we ever get the hoards who are walking, back. Yeh, we have injuries players playing out of position and carrying injuries, but all that taken into consideration today was appalling and quite frankly we deserve better. .

There are no 'apologists of the club'. Most people are rational in their views. You are the outlier.

Cas are a poor team but they are 9 points above you. Not sure what you are trying to say.

Think it puts into context how bad Hull are, that Cas are 19 points better away from home. That was two championship teams out there today. No offence to Championship sides.

The rumour is the players pay privately for their own treatment , as Pearson never replaced the departing Head Physio, and also the Head of strength & conditioning.
Tony Smith pointed the finger of blame, at Pearson for " lack of resources & support"
The structure resembles a championship club.

you say there are no apologists of the club
Then you say most people are rational in their views
so the ones in between no ie none and most are the apologists then

That makes no sense whatsoever.

That's exactly what a club apologist would say.

The club should get the lad in for a visit and a treat. Best try at the MKM this season!

Standard in SL is worse than ever which makes it all the more frustrating. Only Rovers and Wigan have been consistently good. There havent been many neutral games ive watched id remember in a yearts tmes

Throw in the constant video ref, players acting to get cards, empty stands and flat atmosphere at most grounds, and its become a poor watch

Totally agree. Honestly think our 2017 team would walk this league.
Super league is a really poor watch at times now. Especially when you’ve watched NRL beforehand.
New NRL teams will only make matters worse I think. They’ll pick off the better super league players and the standard of import will decrease in quality even further.

I think most of us support our club and are a "critical friend" rather than a club apologist. I'm always of the opinion that you can criticise as much as you like providing you have a valid point and offer a suggested solution/alternative option. It strikes me that the "We're rubbish, I'm not going anymore" brigade (although it's their choice) reflect current society, are part of the problem and as bad as the “half d" players attitude (great motivational quote in public Coach Grix) . It's cyclical, these players will move on and over time results will improve and we'll have a team to be proud of again. Us, the supporters, are the constant. We pay for the privilege of going through the mill season after season. But when the good times come back and you've stuck it out, boy dies it feel good!

I keep getting told Grix will be going nowhere next year. Under contract, I’d get rid personally.

Having time to digest yesterday I'm still baffled as to what game we play as a team, it resembles rugby league but misses almost every key facet such as skill, energy, ability to tackle, to play as a team, its just complete and a complete take of the fans that this has been allowed to happen. This is worse than the Hodgson team buy a mile and that was bad.