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Just wondering what people's thoughts are regards players playing through injury and fatigue? We've seen too often players having to be jabbed up to play and this has a direct impact on player welfare but secondary it has an effect on performance of that player and the team overall. It also has a bearing on younger player development.
A more pro active stance regards injuries and fatigue with better squad rotation and introducing a junior/squad player quicker instead of jabbing up a senior player to continue to play should benefit not just the players but the team results wise. Players whom are severely fatigued or have an injury and being asked to play are more likely to not perform as well as the squad player, doing fewer minutes as well, but also the increased likelihood to either worsen the current injury and be out for longer or when fatigued, more likely to get an injury to start with.
It's all too easy to put your 'best' team out week in week out and even when you don't have many games missed by the 1st XVII as we saw in 2016, this does have a huge impact on how players perform in the final 1/4 of the season as well as long term injuries that might impact far more significantly than if they were withdrawn earlier from playing. it also means junior squad players thrown in at the pointy end of the season have less experience to deal with those all so important games and the pressure that comes with them.
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It's not just our club, it's everywhere, even in the amateur ranks players are taking painkillers to get onto the pitch/get through a game and the longer term post career impact on the body is well know (See Rob Parkers video from a few years ago that featured on the One Show https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05dqkvm ) However I truly believe that addressing injuries and fatigue works better overall and longer term regards results, the argument that we would lose more games with squad players in, we have a weaker starting 13 or weaker bench is valid but we can't know how the injured/fatigued senior player is going to perform in any case never mind how they perform over a season with a constant 'niggling' injury or worse.
One of the best examples I saw but seemingly forced onto Radford with him stating we had a 'million pounds worth of players in the stand' was when we played Warrington on an Easter Monday. Warrington went into the game with the 'best' 17 they could muster, most of whom had played on the good Friday, and we had a team full of kids, Warrington were flying high and yet with most the senior squad out, we won.
Also like to see squad players brought into their correct positions instead of moving other senior players around to put a square peg into a round hole.
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Just wondering what people's thoughts are regards players playing through injury and fatigue? We've seen too often players having to be jabbed up to play and this has a direct impact on player welfare but secondary it has an effect on performance of that player and the team overall. It also has a bearing on younger player development.
A more pro active stance regards injuries and fatigue with better squad rotation and introducing a junior/squad player quicker instead of jabbing up a senior player to continue to play should benefit not just the players but the team results wise. Players whom are severely fatigued or have an injury and being asked to play are more likely to not perform as well as the squad player, doing fewer minutes as well, but also the increased likelihood to either worsen the current injury and be out for longer or when fatigued, more likely to get an injury to start with.
It's all too easy to put your 'best' team out week in week out and even when you don't have many games missed by the 1st XVII as we saw in 2016, this does have a huge impact on how players perform in the final 1/4 of the season as well as long term injuries that might impact far more significantly than if they were withdrawn earlier from playing. it also means junior squad players thrown in at the pointy end of the season have less experience to deal with those all so important games and the pressure that comes with them.
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It's not just our club, it's everywhere, even in the amateur ranks players are taking painkillers to get onto the pitch/get through a game and the longer term post career impact on the body is well know (See Rob Parkers video from a few years ago that featured on the One Show https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05dqkvm ) However I truly believe that addressing injuries and fatigue works better overall and longer term regards results, the argument that we would lose more games with squad players in, we have a weaker starting 13 or weaker bench is valid but we can't know how the injured/fatigued senior player is going to perform in any case never mind how they perform over a season with a constant 'niggling' injury or worse.
One of the best examples I saw but seemingly forced onto Radford with him stating we had a 'million pounds worth of players in the stand' was when we played Warrington on an Easter Monday. Warrington went into the game with the 'best' 17 they could muster, most of whom had played on the good Friday, and we had a team full of kids, Warrington were flying high and yet with most the senior squad out, we won.
Also like to see squad players brought into their correct positions instead of moving other senior players around to put a square peg into a round hole.
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| Quote: 48756c6c20 524c4643 "Just wondering what people's thoughts are regards players playing through injury and fatigue? We've seen too often players having to be jabbed up to play and this has a direct impact on player welfare but secondary it has an effect on performance of that player and the team overall. It also has a bearing on younger player development.
A more pro active stance regards injuries and fatigue with better squad rotation and introducing a junior/squad player quicker instead of jabbing up a senior player to continue to play should benefit not just the players but the team results wise. Players whom are severely fatigued or have an injury and being asked to play are more likely to not perform as well as the squad player, doing fewer minutes as well, but also the increased likelihood to either worsen the current injury and be out for longer or when fatigued, more likely to get an injury to start with.
It's all too easy to put your 'best' team out week in week out and even when you don't have many games missed by the 1st XVII as we saw in 2016, this does have a huge impact on how players perform in the final 1/4 of the season as well as long term injuries that might impact far more significantly than if they were withdrawn earlier from playing. it also means junior squad players thrown in at the pointy end of the season have less experience to deal with those all so important games and the pressure that comes with them.
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It's not just our club, it's everywhere, even in the amateur ranks players are taking painkillers to get onto the pitch/get through a game and the longer term post career impact on the body is well know (See Rob Parkers video from a few years ago that featured on the One Show
Rugby league is a brutal game and it's just inevitable that players will sometimes have to play through a little niggle or a bit of fatigue. But I agree with you, flogging players until they break just doesn't do anyone any good. You carry a 30 man squad for a reason, and whilst you want to have your best players playing as much as possible, you need to know when to rotate and give those guys a rest, otherwise you get to the business end of the season and those guys are shot pieces and unable to perform anywhere near their potential.
It is a hard balancing act for a coach and I don't like to criticise them too much in hindsight. Also you know what rugby players are like for putting their hand up to play when they really shouldn't and that makes it even harder to make these decisions. But it's a squad game and you need to use it.
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| Good job the season is delayed because the KCOM's pitch is in a right state. They are saying its because there wasn't a proper football off season, but with them lot in charge you don't know if the budget has been cut...
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| Quote: UllFC "Good job the season is delayed because the KCOM's pitch is in a right state. They are saying its because there wasn't a proper football off season, but with them lot in charge you don't know if the budget has been cut...'"
But there's the continual bashing regards the rugby ripping up the pitch, and surely if there's effort to cover the pitch when there's predicted heavy rainfall as well as the undersoil heating (that can aid drying it out) it comes across as excuses for not doing the basics in terms of maintaining the ground.
They restarted in 19th Sept 2 months after season end with another 3 months of no play from march to late June, plenty more time to do the work they needed to, since September they've played 19 home games to 2nd Feb, with 10 in the last 11 weeks/79 days
We played one game at home 18th October.
The pitch is in a state because of mismanagement.
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| Quote: 48756c6c20 524c4643 "Quote: 48756c6c20 524c4643 "Good job the season is delayed because the KCOM's pitch is in a right state. They are saying its because there wasn't a proper football off season, but with them lot in charge you don't know if the budget has been cut...'"
But there's the continual bashing regards the rugby ripping up the pitch, and surely if there's effort to cover the pitch when there's predicted heavy rainfall as well as the undersoil heating (that can aid drying it out) it comes across as excuses for not doing the basics in terms of maintaining the ground.
They restarted in 19th Sept 2 months after season end with another 3 months of no play from march to late June, plenty more time to do the work they needed to, since September they've played 19 home games to 2nd Feb, with 10 in the last 11 weeks/79 days
We played one game at home 18th October.
The pitch is in a state because of mismanagement.'"
In regards to the state of the pitch there really is and are no excuses. The KCOM under the control of the Allams via the SMC has for long enough been neglected and questions why under their management it has racked up debt need to be asked.
The majority of the country has suffered poor weather but clubs without the same standard of faculty can still manage to produce a pitch that copes with the weather. This time they can not use the rugby as an excuse.
The spat the Allams had with ground staff and mismanagement through lack of investment are most likely to be the root cause of the issues with the pitch.
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| Quote: Chris71 "In regards to the state of the pitch there really is and are no excuses. The KCOM under the control of the Allams via the SMC has for long enough been neglected and questions why under their management it has racked up debt need to be asked.
The majority of the country has suffered poor weather but clubs without the same standard of faculty can still manage to produce a pitch that copes with the weather. This time they can not use the rugby as an excuse.
The spat the Allams had with ground staff and mismanagement through lack of investment are most likely to be the root cause of the issues with the pitch.'"
Indeed, the Allams are a joke and HCC should grow a pair and start charging them for mis management of a public asset, the Stadium itself is in need of some serious investment, which the Council are responsible for, the SMC are like every other managing agency, lazy and complacent.
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| Anyone else think we may get a new captain? Seems weird to string it out if it's just going to be Houghton again.
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| I would think because of the delay in a captain’s announcement, we are going for a new leader. A change shouldn’t rock the boat so much, Sneyd or Carlos for me,
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| I see rovers are playing Cas on a friendly, they are streaming the game of Facebook and charging £5, I hope we do something similar.
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| Quote: Dave K. "I see rovers are playing Cas on a friendly, they are streaming the game of Facebook and charging £5, I hope we do something similar.'"
I think that a good idea but as some one that doesn't do facebook or have any account I wonder if the club could do a match day ticket via FC live?
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| Quote: Chris71 "I think that a good idea but as some one that doesn't do facebook or have any account I wonder if the club could do a match day ticket via FC live?'"
I dont think you would need to have a Facebook account you watch it.
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| Quote: Dave K. "I see rovers are playing Cas on a friendly, they are streaming the game of Facebook and charging £5, I hope we do something similar.'"
I believe the £5 is for Oliver Holmes testimonial
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| Quote: Dave K. "I dont think you would need to have a Facebook account you watch it.'"
Cheers Dave I didn't know that as I just don't do facebook at all.
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| Quote: bishops finger "I believe the £5 is for Oliver Holmes testimonial'"
Adam Milner, still be happy for the club to profit from playing a friendly and us been able to watch, either home or away. Or it could go to a charity such as Rob Burrow.
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