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Some decent points there Ian but also for me some not so good.
I don't know how you can say being a coach at Wigan or hull is the most difficult job I find that rather insulting do the other clubs some even larger then ourselves not demand or want the same level of success? And I'm sure the fans outside our hull FC bubble are just as vocal or vociferous.
Lee is currently a bad coach otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess. He's coached amateur rugby had very little time as an assistant and now taken a SL job all too soon for my liking.
I don't know how you can also say we are all also responsible, responsible for what exactly? Do you really believe coaches or players are deterred or put off by fans opinions? I think not and have never been convinced by that b.s.
And why do thinks go wrong on a weekly basis at hull, based on what exactly? Off the field our house is now in order, certain playing staff and coaches have been our only frailties thus far as far as I can see.
Why waste money on an advisor too if Lee isn't up for the job then he isn't up for the job. He firmly took the role believing he was.
And long term keeping Lee as a coach if results and performances don't improve seems far worse then cutting him loose sooner when our season and potential dwindling fan base can be salvaged.

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I didn't want Gentle to be sacked and didn't want Radford to be appointed. Like others I believe he got the job too early.

His win ratio is pretty poor but some of our results and performances have made me think perhaps he does have what it takes but needs more time. The problem is the new format doesn't allow us to give him more time.

There is a very real risk that we could be going back to work after Easter with one win out of 9 and over a third of the season gone. We would then have no chance of making the top 8.

Pearson could hold his nerve and we might turn things round and be 4 from 9 after Easter Monday if we beat Catalans, Cas and Rovers but that's a big if (when did we last win 3 in a row?)

Alternatively Pearson could decide to pull the trigger after the next 2 or 3 games if we lose them all. However the problem then is, who does he appoint? Who is there who is any good who is immediately available?

His predicament is largely of his own making but I don't envy him having to decide what to do next.

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Quote: Diogenes "I didn't want Gentle to be sacked and didn't want Radford to be appointed. Like others I believe he got the job too early.

His win ratio is pretty poor but some of our results and performances have made me think perhaps he does have what it takes but needs more time. The problem is the new format doesn't allow us to give him more time.

There is a very real risk that we could be going back to work after Easter with one win out of 9 and over a third of the season gone. We would then have no chance of making the top 8.

Pearson could hold his nerve and we might turn things round and be 4 from 9 after Easter Monday if we beat Catalans, Cas and Rovers but that's a big if (when did we last win 3 in a row?)

Alternatively Pearson could decide to pull the trigger after the next 2 or 3 games if we lose them all. [iHowever the problem then is, who does he appoint? Who is there who is any good who is immediately available?[/i

His predicament is largely of his own making but I don't him having to decide what to do next.'"


That's the thing being fans we don't know who's out there but behind the scenes with contacts and agents I'm sure it's all different world.
Saying Lee was sacked again who knows who'll come out of the woodwork with an application.
I'd rather have that uncertainty then continue as we are.

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I think that being the coach of either Wigan or FC as an hot seat, Wigan where the fans have always been demanding and want success now, not next week or next season and FC has developed that way due to the constant spin and false promises we have had in recent seasons. We are under performing and have been for year on year, with a little bit of glory here and there to keep interests higher then was really due. The difference with then and now is we are out of rope, no time left we either start performing PDQ or thousands will walk away at the end of the season. A lot of people threw there weight behind the present set up in our 150th year, a final act of faith for many and I do not think the same fans will back it up next term.

The next few weeks are so vital, I am struggling to find a win amongst our next four outings. I do not think our squad is as good as it looks on paper

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Quote: Ian P "I think that being the coach of either Wigan or FC as an hot seat, Wigan where the fans have always been demanding and want success now, not next week or next season and FC has developed that way due to the constant spin and false promises we have had in recent seasons. We are under performing and have been for year on year, with a little bit of glory here and there to keep interests higher then was really due. The difference with then and now is we are out of rope, no time left we either start performing PDQ or thousands will walk away at the end of the season. A lot of people threw there weight behind the present set up in our 150th year, a final act of faith for many and I do not think the same fans will back it up next term.

The next few weeks are so vital, I am struggling to find a win amongst our next four outings. I do not think our squad is as good as it looks on paper'"

4 games in and the word "crisis" bounded about says it all

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Quote: Ian P "I think that being the coach of either Wigan or FC as an hot seat, Wigan where the fans have always been demanding and want success now, not next week or next season and FC has developed that way due to the constant spin and false promises we have had in recent seasons. We are under performing and have been for year on year, with a little bit of glory here and there to keep interests higher then was really due. The difference with then and now is we are out of rope, no time left we either start performing PDQ or thousands will walk away at the end of the season. A lot of people threw there weight behind the present set up in our 150th year, a final act of faith for many and I do not think the same fans will back it up next term.

The next few weeks are so vital, I am struggling to find a win amongst our next four outings. I do not think our squad is as good as it looks on paper'"


As several fans have pointed out we are short of an aggressive front row and with the exception of Shaul and Lineham the slowest back line in Super league.
Ellis and Mini are up there with the best but Westerman looks to be overweight and off the pace which is disappointing.
Its a bit scary when the coach has to recall Howarth from Doncaster.
Whats next for Pearson? Well he has dug a deep hole for himself with his public backing of Radford if it all goes pear shaped.

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "The thing is though Ian, it is AP own mistakes and impetuousness that are the reason we are in the position we are right now.
We HAD a coach whom was taking us in the right direction, two solid 6th places and a Wembley appearance in Gentle's first two seasons with the youth system only just starting to kick in and on the back of Agar's tenure and the lack of investment in the club it was a near miracle.


Totally agree about Peter Gentle, he has a great rugby brain. The reason we lost at Wembley and Huddersfield in the play-offs was because he was told by some players and it was reported in the National press that Adam had decided to dump him. His heart had left the job. He told Adam exactly what he thought about him in their last meeting! It's a quandary Adam has only himself to blame for. If Radford was to leave tomorrow I wonder which super league team would be queuing up to make him their head coach?

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Quote: Ian P " I do not think our squad is as good as it looks on paper.'"
That's a new one.

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Quote: Diogenes "I didn't want Gentle to be sacked and didn't want Radford to be appointed. Like others I believe he got the job too early.

His win ratio is pretty poor but some of our results and performances have made me think perhaps he does have what it takes but needs more time. The problem is the new format doesn't allow us to give him more time.

There is a very real risk that we could be going back to work after Easter with one win out of 9 and over a third of the season gone. We would then have no chance of making the top 8.

Pearson could hold his nerve and we might turn things round and be 4 from 9 after Easter Monday if we beat Catalans, Cas and Rovers but that's a big if (when did we last win 3 in a row?)

Alternatively Pearson could decide to pull the trigger after the next 2 or 3 games if we lose them all. However the problem then is, who does he appoint? Who is there who is any good who is immediately available?

His predicament is largely of his own making but I don't envy him having to decide what to do next.'"


August 2013. Coincidentally, it was right after the run of 5 league losses that Pearson said made his mind up about getting rid of Gentle.

We've actually only managed even 2 consecutive wins on one occasion since (competitive games).

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simon moran spent a huge amount at wire in every aspect of the club except coaching and it got him the square root of feck all. He spends big on a proven coach and all of a sudden they have 3 CC wins, a league leaders shield and 2 GF appearances. It's not rocket science. You won't win anything without a good coach in place. I've said all along that appointing yet another untried coach was too much of a risk for the club in the situation we were in.

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I agree,your post says it all about both clubs.

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A supporter from another club summed it up pre-season about both clubs - we both go out and spend the full cap bringing in decent quality, we both have a large fan base, we both play in decent stadiums (might be pushing it with Craven park but it is much improved) then its like we have no money left for a coach so go scraping down the back of the sofa and find a few old boiled sweets and a couple of coppers - that then gets you Radford and Chester

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Radford got shot of miller due to the fact that he didnt have time to develop him, he needed wins and instant success , as his job could be on the line otherwise, and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves, miller will be a top player in my opinion,

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Quote: berro's best mate "Radford got shot of miller due to the fact that he didnt have time to develop him, he needed wins and instant success , as his job could be on the line otherwise, and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves, miller will be a top player in my opinion,'"


Radford couldn't afford to give Miller more time and Pearson may not be able to afford to give Radford more time. Quite ironic really.

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How about trying to get John Kear back, working with Radders?

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