Errr...2 play in 2nd row and disagree about Farrell.....he is a plodder and penalty machine.

Win or lose, like other posters above, I have enjoyed this game.
We look a good team but we are missing the X factor in the halves that the Aussies and Kiwis have.

Agree on 1st 2 points.......Widdop is a quality player and yes..Smith is as bad as I make him.

Widdop has it but he can't do it all........and the have coaches who know what they are doing...we have a imbicile.

Graham shows his class at the end

He needs to wind his neck in and let his rugby do the talking.

Ginner syndrome

As stupid as Graham looked, I love the passion he shows when playing for his country.

Probably been listening too much to the massive hype he's been receiving in Oz.

That wasn't passion...that was abuse to a ref

Scouser, what do you expect?

Playing Ferres at hooker was a shocker of a decision, the guys not international standard at backrow never mind hooker. Sarginson stepped up massively in this tournament and Widdop finally got the opportunity to show what he can do in a Englabd shirt. I bet McNamara wished Ellis hadn't retired because he is still the best English 2nd rower.

He went with ferres because he wanted someone to do a short spell at hooker then cover 2nd row interchange but it was a stupid decision and we suffered when clarke was off the field. We badly missed roby or mcilorum, either of which would have been much better interchanging with clarke.

The decision to play joel tomkins at all was also a shocker.

Overall though we've pushed oz and nz close in successive weeks on their own grounds so have to be reasonably happy with that. The increasing number of our players in the NRL undoubtedly having and effect as did australia's "injury" problems. We desperately need to start producing quality half backs in this country though

IMO-the better team lost today and only losing on missed conversions how is that the coaches fault?

Agreed, still best second rower in SL bar none.
We got the benefit of him with his preseason and retirement from international duty this season.
Anybody who doesn't see how he virtually held us together singlehandedly at times this year needs to start paying more attention.
Shame we haven't offensively seen more of him hitting the line that much b'cos in the glimpses we do it's an awesome sight.