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Quote: frepneyboy "Telling Gleeson to lie to the authority? "This is hows its done"
The fact the club had 10k on the table to fund appeals etc, what a scandal, who sanctioned this?

The guy is a joke, and if there is anyone who cannot see this they are not fit to support Hull FC
The moment he raised his fists in public to a Rovers fan (jokes aside) summed the fool up'"



LMFAO. icon_lol.gif

Another one.......I have a differing point of view, so obviously I,m not a LOYAL supporter.....LMFAO (again).

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Quote: VoiceOfReason "But with respect, your ignoring other decisive factors e.g maybe the FULL squad (alledgedly) was taking this substance by mistake.

He probably panicked and yes, did make the wrong decision...who hasn't in hindsight wished they had taken a different view / decision ?'"


So? If the full squad has mistakenly taken it be honest, a pre ident has already been set.

As a CEO of a company he's made countless mistakes, he made a number of ones here. One or two you can defend, not this many, he wasn't up to the job.

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Quote: Sheldon "So? If the full squad has mistakenly taken it be honest, a pre ident has already been set.

As a CEO of a company he's made countless mistakes, he made a number of ones here. One or two you can defend, not this many, he wasn't up to the job.'"


1.JR job brief would not have included for him to know what players can and cannot take as supplements...other members of staff are paid too sort that.

2. JR gets informed that Gleeson has failed a drug test and that maybe the rest of the squad have mistakenly taken it aswell, do you A: Ignore it and hope it goes away or B: Try to safeguard the Club and players and attempt a damage limitation exercise (which in hindsight is doomed to fail)

You seem to be totally ignoring all the 'good' things JR acheived at the club....is that deliberate or just do you hate him?

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Quote: VoiceOfReason "

You seem to be totally ignoring all the 'good' things JR acheived at the club....is that deliberate or just do you hate him?'"

Did he personally sell 9500 passes one year and reduce that number in the 2 following years??

Did he personally spend £1000000 in the club shops?

Did he personally single handedly take us to 3 finals?

Thats all what happened in the last 10 years

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C. Tell the truth.

Didn't AP state what he'd do if anyone tested positive?

I don't hate Rule at all he messed up, like Gleeson, Long, Cooper and anyone else who took it or tried to cover it up.

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RFL have just issued a statement:

The RFL has today reaffirmed confidence in its actions during the recent doping investigation involving former Hull FC Chief Executive James Rule, former player Martin Gleeson and former conditioning coach Ben Cooper.

“We are clear that the governing body acted entirely appropriately throughout what was a long and complicated investigation involving UK Anti-Doping and a National Anti-Doping Panel,” said RFL Chief Operating Officer Ralph Rimmer.

“As part of their investigation, UK Anti-Doping received external legal advice which found that there was no evidence to suggest that anyone at the RFL was complicit in the giving of false evidence to the NADP, or knew at all that the evidence was false. It found that there was no case for anyone at the RFL to answer.”

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Quote: VoiceOfReason "But with respect, your ignoring other decisive factors e.g maybe the FULL squad (alledgedly) was taking this substance by mistake.

He probably panicked and yes, did make the wrong decision...who hasn't in hindsight wished they had taken a different view / decision in there past?'"

I can see where you're coming from, but I wouldn't go shaking the hand of someone who has tried to cheat the game.

He went the complete wrong way about sorting the situation out, and as such has dragged the club's name through the mud. Whether his intentions were for the good of the club or not is irrelevant. He's tried to cheat the game.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "RFL have just issued a statement

It was evidence/information witheld that is the MoS charge. It'll be interesting to see what the RFL have to say - as others have alluded to the MoS is pushing just one angle. At the moment it doesn't look great, but I suppose judgement should be reserved a little.

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Quote: Sheldon "C. Tell the truth.

Didn't AP state what he'd do if anyone tested positive?

I don't hate Rule at all he messed up, like Gleeson, Long, Cooper and anyone else who took it or tried to cover it up.'"


Theres issues we'll agree on and others we won't.

Common sense decision making goes awry if your put under enough pressure...I've done it.

I fully support 100% AP.

Cover ups start when you make foolish decisions and believe the consequences can be very damaging / may lose you your job or liberty. He's only human.

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Quote: VoiceOfReason "Theres issues we'll agree on and others we won't.

Common sense decision making goes awry if your put under enough pressure...I've done it.

I fully support 100% AP.

Cover ups start when you make foolish decisions and believe the consequences can be very damaging / may lose you your job or liberty. He's only human.'"


Then we agree he wasnt fit for the job?

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Quote: Wellsy13 "I can see where you're coming from, but I wouldn't go shaking the hand of someone who has tried to cheat the game.

He went the complete wrong way about sorting the situation out, and as such has dragged the club's name through the mud. Whether his intentions were for the good of the club or not is irrelevant. He's tried to cheat the game.'"


I said, I would shake his hand for attempting (badly) to defend the club / players.

No one on here seriously believes JR did this with sole intent to embarrass or destoy our club?

If there's evidence to the contrary, then I'll be at the front of the hanging brigade.

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Quote: VoiceOfReason "1.JR job brief would not have included for him to know what players can and cannot take as supplements...other members of staff are paid too sort that.

2. JR gets informed that Gleeson has failed a drug test and that maybe the rest of the squad have mistakenly taken it aswell, do you A
There's a case to say that Rule's [iinitial[/i response to the situation - the offer to withdraw the squad from the Rovers game - could be viewed as an appropriate attempt at damage limitation. It's the following decision to attempt a half-d cover-up that's inexcusable IMO. No matter whether it was entirely his decision or not.

And I doubt you'll find many who consider me to be a Rule-hater.

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Some things I dont understand from the whole debacle and article.

The articled stresses the "whole squad" and Gleeson "was far from alone" in using the OxyElite

First off isnt the point of OxyElite to be a fat burner? And if one player perhaps needed that and not to "enhance" his game as such it was the unfit Gleeson? Why would a whole raft of players need to suddenly just start taking something because it became available?

Secondly as people have pointed out its also the responsibility of the player to check a product. So are we saying every single player was that stupid that nobody questioned it or checked not even the odd brighter spark?

And rather than Rule or the RFL warning UK Anti-Doping that the "whole squad" may have taken something are saying a body like that wouldnt have scented blood after the first failure and gone after FC like a dog after a bone?

And finally how long does it last in the system to become posotive. Are we saying no other players were tested in this time period as I presumed someone would be tested randomly almost weekly?

Its easy to accept the potentially one side mail article worst case scenario but at the same time their seems to be no real proof of that whatsoever

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Quote: Sheldon "Then we agree he wasnt fit for the job?'"
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On where he was part of the team that took our club to Grade A licence.....record season pass sales....record merchandise sales...pioneering internet club site....advanced fans information forums....YES He was more than fit for the job.

If he was still in the job now.....then I would let internal disciplinary procedures taken there course....because believe me.....internal procedures would of found out the full truth of exactly who was involved and at what level decisions were made.

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