Yer I remember that kick from the scrum like it was yesterday, brilliant set move.

When was the last time we even tried something like that?

Then.

You all seem to be missing the point, players signed by Agar are obviously his men, can anyone complain about Fitz, O'Meley and to a lesser extent Long? Then there's Houghton, Briscoe, Westerman, Sharp and to a lesser extent Burnett all signed or given their current contracts by Agar. I'm talking of the likes of Yeaman on big bucks, who gave him that deal? Radford, Dowes both signed reduced deals more in keeping with their worth. It's the paying people more than they're worth that had done for us in 2008 & 2009.

It's funny because it's true.

I see where you're coming from but I take issue with Long in particular. So far that can't be judged as anything but a poor signing.

I agree, i suppose! But who else was available then? The only other I can remember moving clubs was Orford, that turned out well for the Bulls, didn't it? Long was by far the best available.

So why are we still getting the same results, Same Errors , Same predictable rugby from a totally differant side .

If he's on that deal now, it must have been Agar.

Anyway, to me, the issue isn't who we've had playing for us, it's that he has consistently failed to get those players playing consistently to the standard of which they are capable. Both as individuals and as a team.

We don't. In 2008 we finished 11th, in 2009 we finished 12th. In 2010 when he first had the chance to start improving things, we finished 6th.

He's not, that's the point. His new deal was agreed last year, reduced from the mega bucks 3 year deal Sharp gave him.

At the same time Rich & Steve were demonstrating their in-depth knowledge of the game by signing Long & Orford, Brian Noble managed to bring in Witt, Hanbury and (a bit later on) Sammut. That's not me plugging for Noble again but it just shows the nous that a proper coach can give you.

Then this off-season the club spent it's time promoting the ludicrous idea that all we needed was 'cover' for Long & Horne, three games in and that's already been proven to be a fallacy. We should have been throwing our money at Chase and Sammut way before we were worrying about signing up Westerman to play as yet another 2nd row.

Agar re-signed Yeaman (rlhttps://www.hullfc.com/hullfc/contents/?p) and I agree, I dread to think what 'superstar' wages we are paying him.

Long has been a disaster, legend of the game...but he isn't going to be remembered for this 'blink and you'll miss him' stint at Hull.

Westerman has done nothing so far, and by all accounts didn't do anything for Cas last year either. Far to early to call him a success.

Radford would be ok as cheap backup for this year, but being a regular starter on a 2 year is ridiculous.

Dowes should have been thanked for his many years loyal service, paraded round the KC and pointed in the direction of the nearest Championship club.

of the others: Lauaki is yet another over hyped, overpaid waste. We've had 1 great performance (Saints away last year) and what else?

Moa, Fitz, O'Meley and Briscoe have been great signings, and his development of Houghton has been good. But that really is about all.

Yeaman took a pay cut on his new contract to stay with the club

Even if that were the case, I repeat the point I made earlier. Since Agar has taken over he has consistently failed to get the best out of the players he has had. Regardless of whether they're his signings or not, he should at least be capable of this.

Well, I suppose i could mention the quota issue. Made Long pretty much the only target. Unless you didn't want to keep Moa?