1.Whiting
2.Sharp
3.Turner
4.Yeamen
5.Briscoe
6.Obst
7.Long
8.O'Meley
9.Houghton
10.Radders
11.Tickle
12.Manu
13.Fitzgibbon
subs
14.Moa
15.Lauaki
16.Washy
17.Westerman
Bring on Westerman for Fitz, Moa and Lauaki for the two props and Washy for Houghton for 20 mins and then Fitz back on for either Manu or Tickle and vice versa for the props.

Whiting
Sharp
Turner
Yeaman
T. Briscoe
Westerman
Obst

O'Meley
Houghton
Radford
Tickle
Fitzgibbon
Cunningham

Washbrook
Manu
Lauaki
Moa

I was speaking in terms of club size rather then performance. You think Warrington is a BIGGER club then Hull FC? Really?

The whole 'big club' debate is bollox though.

It's a lot more common in football and just a tool used by clubs in decline to try and compensate for loss of status. Liverpool fans are particularly famous for it, but do you think the likes of Chelsea and Man City give a flying one about history etc when their chances of having success over the next 10 years are vastly greater than Liverpool's?

Yes, I think 100% that Wire are a bigger club, ambition wise and signing wise.

Question, have we beaten Wire to a player in recent years - No


(can I just add they own their stadium as well)

Wasn't we talking about the squads as opposed to this club is bigger than this club rubbish.

You said Hull have a top 4 squad, i can see why people think we're on a par with Hudds but for me its just our 17 thats on a par with them. But to say we are on a par squad wise with any of the top 4 teams is crazy imo.

I think it is a bit embarrassing to call ourselves a BIG club, I mean come on let's be honest we have not even won a play-off game for 3 years!

A financially sound club yes , a successful club no

Were like Newcastle great fans just don't appreciate us and don't know how to run the club

Disagree they do know how to run the club that is why financially we are in a good scene....however they do not appear to know how to be successful on the pitch, hence not winning a play-off in the last 3 years.

We were, until I said our 17 can challenge the 'bigger teams', meaning bigger clubs.

I believe our squad, when fully fit and playing at their full potential, can challenge the top 4.

Look at both the clubs past 5-10 year history. We have won the CC cup, runners up of the CC cup, and been the only one of only 5 teams to get to the Grand Final. Not Wire. Not Hudds.

I would class us as a big club.

You said our sqaud is a top 4 squad and yet you havent said which 3 squads are better than ours.

So whos above us squad wise ?

Challenge Top 4.

I don't believe we have a chance against Wigan, that's for sure. Saints we have shown we can beat. We have a recent bad track record against Leeds, we just can't seem to beat them. One of our best performances last season was against Wire, with a flattering scoreline in their favour. We can beat them and Hudds if we go about it in the right way.

The way we are playing we don't stand a chance against any of these teams, and yes we beat saints twice last year but we only won 2 out of 8 against the top four of wire, saints Wigan and Leeds and 3 out of 10 if you include hudds that to me isn't good enough, and this highlights agar's downfall for me personally.

Wire have won the challenge cup 2 years running, we won it once and lost it once, we also lost the G/final..So basically Wire have won silverware twice, and us once and you consider us a Big Club
I bet they are shiitting it in case they get us in the draw