You speak as if salary and the coach is the only factor that determines a player's choice. Players aren't stupid. Look at those signing up for 5 years with Leeds under McLennan, now they've got McDermott who's achieved less than Agar. Not sure what the massive ambition you claim Rovers demonstrate is? Catalans have made the CC final, for example and been 10 minutes from a GF, would you describe them as massively ambitious. Rovers have done better than FC with more limited resources over the last 4 years, but in the longer term FC averages 13,500 attendance and a far superior off the pitch organisation in terms of the commercial side of things and community programme. This "ambition" that Rovers sold to the RFL of a 14k stadium by the start of the 2010 season has now been scaled back to only 12k, maybe by 2012 and even to get that they've had to use the council to secure funding. The ambition they sold to the fans of "challenging" for honours in 2009 hasn't materialised - you need to get to finals to do that. The ambition they talk up every year of building a team around a core of Hull born players hasn't happened unless Kris Welham and Jason Netherton count as a "core".

I fully agree we've not got the coach a club of our size deserves, but to say Rovers are infinitely more ambitious than FC is palpable nonsense.

Eh? You bang on about players choosing Rover because they want to win trophies then accuse me of supporting Agar?!?!?

I need proof of both....

I've highlighted the bits that I believe would be irrelevant to an Aussie coming over to play his retirement years at an English club. I'm not trying to be facetious but I don't see how any of what you've said there contradicts the points I made earlier?

but spent more freely when smith came in(monaghan x 2,atkins,myler,hodgson etc)

You said Rovers "must look so much more ambitious than us". How so? You get promotion and you get £1.6m to spend on players, so unsurprising that Rovers have improved on the pitch since 2006, is it? Hudgell himself has said Rovers are no more than a decent mid table side. Hull are a decent mid table side, but have a far more robust set-up off the pitch and as a player, would you rather play at the KC or Craven Park, which, again, Hudgell himself describes as "2 shoeboxes either side of a wind tunnel"? Just don't see where you get the idea that, to an Aussie that knows nothing about Hull, Rovers is the no-brainer option because of Justin Morgan.

Agars support is very poor to say the least he has it all to prove and maybe if my fellow FC 'fan' had used Warrington as the example it may have been more believable?

Not at all....Monaghan signed by Cullen....Big money spent on Gleeson whilst Cullen in charge...Similarly, King, Morley, Anderson's x2, etc all brought in under Cullen.

Smith is getting similar backing, but at least now, as a benefactor, you'd be happier spending the cash knowing Smith is a good coach and likely to make maximum use of your investment.

Fair enough maybe 'ambitious' was the wrong word, 'successful' was probably fairer... I've described why Rovers are currently more successful than us,if it had just been for one year you could have called it a blip, 2 a worrying trend.. but a I think when they've been on top this long you just have to accept they are the city's top dogs. Yes we have a better stadium and play in front of more fans, that's one thing we do have... As it happens I don't actually rate Morgan that highly, but I struggle to think of one aspect where Agar bests him... can you genuinly come up with any?

successful at what? what do you measure success on?

Recruitment?

Recruitment I'll give you, but even then it's somewhat negated by his inability to use his signings properly. Also Morgan has done notably better in certain positions i.e. they got Dobson, we got an ageing, injury-prone Long, O'Meley was a big capture for us, Mason a bigger one for them.

In terms of how you measure success, looking again from the point of view of an Aussie coming over you'd look at how the two clubs have performed over the last few years... I'm 99.9% sure you wouldn't care less about what community work the club is doing or what operating profit they were making (as long as you were sure you'd get paid).

Progression of young academy players!!!

Houghton and Briscoe = Welham and Watts.. 50/50

Mason hasn't played over here yet, how can you say that he's better?? O'Meley was one of our best players last season!!