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"The Mail understands..." NOTHING! :SUBMISSION: :lol: [quote="-VIKINGMAN-"]Respect to Roofs, the president of East Hull. :wink:[/quote]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_17371.jpg



Quote: Mrs Barista "Dobson has undoubtedly been a success at Rovers, that is not the point at all. Cooke was a pivotal player in a top 2, CC-winning, GF side. Morgan chose not to optimise the contribution of Cooke because of his insistence on channelling everything through goldenbollox Dobson, thereby, in conjunction with Cooke's own issues, effectively ending Cooke's career. Morgan's failure to create a top partnership between a rising star and an experienced and creative top 2 HB should go down as a huge missed opportunity, surely?'"


No, theory and reality are two different things. In theory Cooke and Dobson was a dream pairing, but it didn't work in reality. In any case, Morgan cannot be blamed for Cooke's off-field problems, weight gain (alleged), been in Piper the night before a big away game, etc etc. Don't get me wrong I was a fan of Cooke at Rovers, and on paper he didn't get given enough chances under Morgan, but again, in reality there could have been so many factors that the majority of us will not know about.

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Quote: Roofs "No, theory and reality are two different things. In theory Cooke and Dobson was a dream pairing, but it didn't work in reality. In any case, Morgan cannot be blamed for Cooke's off-field problems, weight gain (alleged), been in Piper the night before a big away game, etc etc. Don't get me wrong I was a fan of Cooke at Rovers, and on paper he didn't get given enough chances under Morgan, but again, in reality there could have been so many factors that the majority of us will not know about.


It didn't work in reality, correct, but the fact is that Cooke went from a pivotal player in a top 2 team to a no-mark bit-part player in a couple of seasons under Morgan. Cooke never helped himself at either Hull club, but playing under Morgan effectively ended Cooke's career.

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"The Mail understands..." NOTHING! :SUBMISSION: :lol: [quote="-VIKINGMAN-"]Respect to Roofs, the president of East Hull. :wink:[/quote]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_17371.jpg



Quote: Mrs Barista "It didn't work in reality, correct, but the fact is that Cooke went from a pivotal player in a top 2 team to a no-mark bit-part player in a couple of seasons under Morgan. Cooke never helped himself at either Hull club, but playing under Morgan effectively ended Cooke's career.'"


Not really - Cooke looked world-class away to Salford and you guys in 2007, but he never followed it up. When he did play for Rovers he rarely produced that sort of class again. Surely Morgan can't take the blame for that?

Hey I thought you hated Cookie anyway? eusa_eh.gif icon_lol.gif icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Roofs "Not really - Cooke looked world-class away to Salford and you guys in 2007, but he never followed it up. When he did play for Rovers he rarely produced that sort of class again. Surely Morgan can't take the blame for that?

Hey I thought you hated Cookie anyway? icon_wink.gif

Hate is a strong word. As said, I was pi$$ed off mightily at the time, but am a lone voice on here now feeling a bit sorry for him and seeing his undoubted talent so comprehensively squandered.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "But the point is he was good enough to be the go-to player the previous year in a top 2 team that made the Grand Final. Morgan couldn't/didn't want to get the best out of him, simple as.
Hmm, strange though how not only did his biggest fan (John Kear) give him little opportunity before showing him the door, but another big admirer (Shaun Mcrae) apparantly has no interest in signing him. eusa_whistle.gif

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Quote: Mrs Barista "Apart from the Murrell bit, obviously. International pivot and all that.
International hooker tho, not a 6 icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Roofs "Hmm, strange though how not only did his biggest fan (John Kear) give him little opportunity before showing him the door, but another big admirer (Shaun Mcrae) apparantly has no interest in signing him.
Not really. Cooke's career was irretrievably damaged whilst playing under Morgan at Rovers. Nothing wrong with his on-the-pitch delivery in a top 2 team at FC, it just all unravelled horribly in a couple of years at Craven Park. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Mrs Barista "Not really. Cooke's career was irretrievably damaged whilst playing under Morgan at Rovers. Nothing wrong with his on-the-pitch delivery in a top 2 team at FC, it just all unravelled horribly in a couple of years at Craven Park.
Oh ffs. icon_rolleyes.gif icon_lol.gif Well guys like Murrell, Fox, Briscoe, Watts etc have become better players under Morgan so we can forgive him one guy going off the rails hun? icon_heartkiss.gif icon_lol.gif icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Roofs "Oh ffs.
None of which has anything to do with Paul Cooke, whose career indisputably nose-dived under Morgan at Rovers. Didn't we start off this conversation agreeing that Cooke was an important figure for both clubs, despite this rapid decline at Rovers? The extent of Cooke's unfulfilled potential under Morgan is all the more obvious in that context. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Roofs "No, theory and reality are two different things. In theory Cooke and Dobson was a dream pairing, but it didn't work in reality. In any case, Morgan cannot be blamed for Cooke's off-field problems, weight gain (alleged), been in Piper the night before a big away game, etc etc. Don't get me wrong I was a fan of Cooke at Rovers, and on paper he didn't get given enough chances under Morgan, but again, in reality there could have been so many factors that the majority of us will not know about.


Cooke and Dobson a dream pairing!?!?!?!

It's good on paper, yes, but a dream pairing, no!

Thurston - Marshall
Prince - Carney
Cronk - Chase
Hodgkinson - Lockyer
Pearce - Tomkins

I would bracket as "dream" pairings. Unless your applying the Ol' theory of relativity. If so, fair enough, Dobson and Cooke in theory is V Good

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Quote: Roofs "Oh ffs.
Haven't seen Briscoe improve personally. He left Hull a very good player and remains a very good player. He's no better now then he was in 05/06

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"The Mail understands..." NOTHING! :SUBMISSION: :lol: [quote="-VIKINGMAN-"]Respect to Roofs, the president of East Hull. :wink:[/quote]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_17371.jpg



Quote: Mrs Barista "None of which has anything to do with Paul Cooke, whose career indisputably nose-dived under Morgan at Rovers. Didn't we start off this conversation agreeing that Cooke was an important figure for both clubs, despite this rapid decline at Rovers? The extent of Cooke's unfulfilled potential under Morgan is all the more obvious in that context.
Hey I have to thank you Mrs B - was facing a boring Friday night in before we extended conversation, was good laugh. icon_lol.gif high-five.gif icon_hug.gif

Won't however be around tonight due to going out (see Gingerman Day thread), sorry. icon_cry.gif icon_lol.gif icon_smile.gif

P.S. Still think it was Cooke's fault, and that Morgan is a hero. icon_wink.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Digby "Haven't seen Briscoe improve personally. He left Hull a very good player and remains a very good player. He's no better now then he was in 05/06'"


That's maybe a fair point, can't really comment I guess because obviously have only seen him play regularly from 2008-present. icon_neutral.gif

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Quote: willowred "Paul Cooke starts work on Monday for his dads company!'"

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