Yup! We have a prop passing to a prop who then takes time to get upright and play the ball, moved from acting half slowly to another prop, onto a half back who then gets murdered or commits the offence himself.

You've seen agars plan A ?

Didnt you score a try last friday off a play with a prop at first receiver?

While Briscoe is a good choice as winger in attack he's sadly been found lacking defensively there. And that's where the weakness is. 'Cos other than Whiting (who should be deployed better elsewhere - he's too talented to be wasted on the wing) all our patch-up "wingers" are weak in defence.

And that's where Raynor would have made the difference. His and Calderwood's experience and strength protecting the wing is the shortfall - not the attack.

Its been one of our better weapons for a number of seasons now.

But you all know deep down he aint going any further - He has played off half and Loose Forward for us - compare him to young Myler on Sunday and our own Jordan Turner at Loose Forward (Future) He has less pace than Richard Whiting and he gets slated on here but he at least offers the utility option and has in my opinion been our most consistant player this season. I hate to say it but am disappointed with Washbrook to say the least cos I thought he would make it. Hope he proves me wrong.

Not sure what all this debate is about. When we have had Long and Horne playing they have looked good together and we look a real threat. Okay Long has picked up a few knocks but those knocks could happen to anyone.

As for the wingers, we have two very good ones plus some useful cover and two young lads knocking on the door too.

I don't see a problem with this years squad, we had 7 out on Monday yet still put out a strong side that nearly beat an in form Wire side.

Only took 9 games

Imo Right now he's nothing more than 'solid': Sure enough he has a fair turn of pace, reasonable strength and size but for me he doesn't use it to full effect (as yet)
Don't get me wrong, I think he's a more than able replacement, he's just not the superstar that some people are touting him to be.
And how can you say he's a top loose forward when we haven't seen him play there yet?

Long and horne have only played together in 3 games haven't they? looked good at saints, both did little in the 2nd half against hudds due to injury and horne was very quiet in the derby

They do have a 100% record though

Judging by both their injury problems we'll see little of them together

I wasn't sure there was a plan at all

sinfield?

To be fair, both mcguire and burrow have very good injury records