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| Quote: Roverswall "It would have to be with pay or they would be unable to sack him afterwards I belive.
Its something to do with being punished twice for the same offence I think.'"
Not sure about that, an employer can do what they want in that situation but the suspended on no pay approach is a dodgy one. |
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| Quote: hkrdavidhkr "no just widely publisised in PRINT in the local rag for all to read in black INK ,when he was initially arrested and charged.'"
Maybe but I'm a Hull fan and wouldn't have known. Strange that Rovers fans seem to have the info at their fingertips |
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| Quote: Big Dave T "Not sure about that, an employer can do what they want in that situation but the suspended on no pay approach is a dodgy one.'"
very dodgy to the point of being illegal 
If you wanted to suspend anyone on a criminal charge not connected directly to your employment and you had not been found guilty of any crime as yet. Then the only course of action is suspension on full pay, unless the person pleads guilty prior to the hearing then clearly the employer can act within his own stated terms of employment.
Do FC have a " actions that could damage the clubs reputation, standing or commercial interests" clause ?
I doubt it as they could have used it dozens of times in the last few years to my knowledge and even then they have to be consistant |
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| Quote: Ian P "
Do FC have a " actions that could damage the clubs reputation, standing or commercial interests" clause ?
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if they did would they use it? after all it is hull fc |
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| Quote: Chris28 "Maybe but I'm a Hull fan and wouldn't have known. Strange that Rovers fans seem to have the info at their fingertips'"
no mate, just a reasonable memory
but on the other hand i`m sure i provided a link, damn must of been the invisible ink i used
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| Quote: Big Dave T "Not sure about that, an employer can do what they want in that situation but the suspended on no pay approach is a dodgy one.'" Its just something I seem to remember happening a while back at a previous employer.
An employee was getting suspended and they wanted to do it without pay, The union rep was more then happy to let them do this much to the employee's annoyance until the rep took him to one side and explained the situation as I have stated, This made the company check why the rep was being so cooperative and he was suspended WITH pay.
He was sacked 3 weeks later (No skin off my nose as the guy in question was the biggest turd you could ever meet)
But I don't know what the current situation is tbh. |
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| Quote: Ian P "very dodgy to the point of being illegal ![]()
Not always illegal. The action doesnt need to be whilst at work, if the employee is in the public eye they can be seen as at work permanently.
Wouldnt need the clause either in certain situations, its implied that it comes with the job.
nothing like this is black and white but FC would have grounds for doing whatever they want with the right legal counsel.
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| Quote: Big Dave T "Not always illegal. The action doesnt need to be whilst at work, if the employee is in the public eye they can be seen as at work permanently.
Wouldnt need the clause either in certain situations, its implied that it comes with the job.
nothing like this is black and white but FC would have grounds for doing whatever they want with the right legal counsel.'"
and what happens if some one is found not guilty or the CPS decides not to persue .......................
Ooh er missus |
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| Quote: Roverswall "Its just something I seem to remember happening a while back at a previous employer.
An employee was getting suspended and they wanted to do it without pay, The union rep was more then happy to let them do this much to the employee's annoyance until the rep took him to one side and explained the situation as I have stated, This made the company check why the rep was being so cooperative and he was suspended WITH pay.
He was sacked 3 weeks later (No skin off my nose as the guy in question was the biggest turd you could ever meet) ![]()
These things get muddier when unions become involved anyway. Theyre all only ever after self promotion and very rarely in my experience even want a fair resolution. 
FWIW they can suspend with no pay and then still dismiss, not sure where the rep was coming from here. (obviously there are issues if the person isnt guilty)
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| Quote: Ian P "and what happens if some one is found not guilty or the CPS decides not to persue .......................
Ooh er missus'"
Indeed. Which is why full pay is the safer option. Hull have held back their investigation into this case until the CPS decided to pursue.
Personnaly i'd look at his chances based on the evidence and decide whether to go for no pay. If he then gets found not guilty he is obviously due some serious back pay as well as apologies etc. |
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| Quote: Big Dave T "Indeed. Which is why full pay is the safer option. Hull have held back their investigation into this case until the CPS decided to pursue. ![]()
Sorry I am one of those union types 
I can't see how they could suspend without pay and for that reason alone I suspect they will just put off any decision until such times as the case is resolved. He may opt for a plea bargain and that will throw spanners in the works as at that point any employer could act. I do work where any form of crime/ bringing the organisation into disrepute is considered a sackable offence. This has been the case and rightly so, but I do not think it impacts on his job as a rugby player in this case.
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| Quote: wolfie "may of already thought of doing that'"
You must have a lot of splinters in that lardy 4rse of yours all the fence sitting you do |
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can someone ask him if they see him this week if he has any cartridges for a Canon LBP5000 colour laser printer ?? Im looking for a black and a magenta !!
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