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| Quote: PAUL M "Its like the Kearney incident, people can say all they like that they didn't boo him and that they booed the decision but at the time as far as Kearney knows they are booing him, same with Thorman.'"
How do you know what Thormans impression was? Also, I presume he wouldnt have been able to hear the boos as he was in the dressing room
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| Quote: The Key "How do you know what Thormans impression was? Also, I presume he wouldnt have been able to hear the boos as he was in the dressing room'"
I know how I would feel if the crowd booed when my name was read out. Each to their own but booing because Lee was dropped will have not even been noiceable to Agar, he will have thought that the booing was for Thorman.
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| Quote: PAUL M "I know how I would feel if the crowd booed when my name was read out. Each to their own but booing because Lee was dropped will have not even been noiceable to Agar, he will have thought that the booing was for Thorman.'"
You say each to their own, yet then say how you think Agar will have thought, and also insinuate that Thorman will have felt a certain way.
Lets just say for the sake of this argument it was Thorman himself getting booed before the game, theres no way of telling how he could react. It could batter his confidence, it could stir him up and give him determination, it could do bugger all. It all depends on his character
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| Quote: The Key "How do you know what Thormans impression was?
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I know what Kearney's was. It's not unreasonable to assume that Thorman's would be the same.
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| Quote: The Key "You say each to their own, yet then say how you think Agar will have thought, and also insinuate that Thorman will have felt a certain way.
Lets just say for the sake of this argument it was Thorman himself getting booed before the game, theres no way of telling how he could react. It could batter his confidence, it could stir him up and give him determination, it could do bugger all. It all depends on his character'"
When I said each to their own I meant the fans and the decision to boo or not.
Given that Thorman already is playing with zero confidence I doubt it would have helped and you have already stated how poorly he played so it obviously did not work.
Lets make it easy for you, if I were Agar and heard the boos I would be thinking they were booing for the player, not singing the praises of TL. If I were CT I would feel like the crowd were completely against me and it would probably affect my game.
Its personal choice to boo or not, boo him at the end of the game or for dropping those two balls and it's more understandable.
Like I said it's like the Kearney incident all over again.
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| Quote: PAUL M "Lets make it easy for you, if I were Agar and heard the boos I would be thinking they were booing for the player, not singing the praises of TL. If I were CT I would feel like the crowd were completely against me and it would probably affect my game.'"
Exactly. Anyone in that position would think the same.
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| I think it is disgusting the way Tommy Lee has been treated at times. It all started when as a young lad he was asked to play scrum half with a lot of responsibility on his shoulders and came in for a lot of critisism. I think he is a player suited to the more free role of loose forward or hooker. He has excellent passing skills and is a great tackler. I don't know why he was continued to be made a scapegoat and why everything always seems to be his fault. He probably did a far better job at scrum half than Thorman ever will, how he was dropped for Thorman I can't understand, who is just pathetic and can't tackle for toffee. If he is to be released, he will definitely go to another SL club where his qualities as a player will be valued and will be able get one over his old employers for his poor treatment and being under valued as a player.
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| Quote: raynor the crab "I think it is disgusting the way Tommy Lee has been treated at times. It all started when as a young lad he was asked to play scrum half with a lot of responsibility on his shoulders and came in for a lot of critisism. I think he is a player suited to the more free role of loose forward or hooker. He has excellent passing skills and is a great tackler. I don't know why he was continued to be made a scapegoat and why everything always seems to be his fault. He probably did a far better job at scrum half than Thorman ever will, how he was dropped for Thorman I can't understand, who is just pathetic and can't tackle for toffee. If he is to be released, he will definitely go to another SL club where his qualities as a player will be valued and will be able get one over his old employers for his poor treatment and being under valued as a player.'"
Steady on, he's not that good!
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| Quote: raynor the crab "I think it is disgusting the way Tommy Lee has been treated at times. It all started when as a young lad he was asked to play scrum half with a lot of responsibility on his shoulders and came in for a lot of critisism. I think he is a player suited to the more free role of loose forward or hooker. He has excellent passing skills and is a great tackler. I don't know why he was continued to be made a scapegoat and why everything always seems to be his fault. He probably did a far better job at scrum half than Thorman ever will, how he was dropped for Thorman I can't understand, who is just pathetic and can't tackle for toffee. If he is to be released, he will definitely go to another SL club where his qualities as a player will be valued and will be able get one over his old employers for his poor treatment and being under valued as a player.'"
Evening Mr Lee
TBF I agree he has been treated badly by some fans and not given the credit he deserves. I would keep him as I've said on many occasions.
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| Quote: Nobeerineasthull "Steady on, he's not that good!'"
What exactly do you mean by this as not good that good. Do you mean not as good as other players in his positions at the club or in the league. He is one of the few players at the club at the present time who will bust a gut every time he pulls on the jersey, after all it is a club he has supported since he was young. OK he may not be that good in terms of international standard but he is well above average. If he is not that good, why did Swain and Kearney rate him as one of the most promising youngsters they have known. I think loose forward is a position that would suit Tommy at Hull where he could have the freedom to express his abilities plus he wouldn't shirk the defensive graft in the middle. I don't know how you can play someone like Radford at loose forward who just provides a running game for the position rather than the skills needed for the pivotal position that it is. OK when Washbrook and Houghton/Berrigan are fit he may be behind these two but when injuries strike he is a player to turn to because of his ability to cover several key positions. I do not see it a wise decision to release a player like him. C'mon nobeerineasthull if he is not that good surely you don't remember a few years back when you beat Saints at the KC in 2007 and Horne and Lee were the half backs, I believe Tommy had a blinder that day and that was without Paul Cooke. On the day Saints were at full strength and you were having a dip in form. Maybe you won't have the same view when he comes up trumps against you lot if he is not there next year.
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| Quote: raynor the crab "What exactly do you mean by this as not good that good. Do you mean not as good as other players in his positions at the club or in the league. He is one of the few players at the club at the present time who will bust a gut every time he pulls on the jersey, after all it is a club he has supported since he was young. OK he may not be that good in terms of international standard but he is well above average. If he is not that good, why did Swain and Kearney rate him as one of the most promising youngsters they have known. I think loose forward is a position that would suit Tommy at Hull where he could have the freedom to express his abilities plus he wouldn't shirk the defensive graft in the middle. I don't know how you can play someone like Radford at loose forward who just provides a running game for the position rather than the skills needed for the pivotal position that it is. OK when Washbrook and Houghton/Berrigan are fit he may be behind these two but when injuries strike he is a player to turn to because of his ability to cover several key positions. I do not see it a wise decision to release a player like him. C'mon nobeerineasthull if he is not that good surely you don't remember a few years back when you beat Saints at the KC in 2007 and Horne and Lee were the half backs, I believe Tommy had a blinder that day and that was without Paul Cooke. On the day Saints were at full strength and you were having a dip in form. Maybe you won't have the same view when he comes up trumps against you lot if he is not there next year.'"
Less talking, more action Mr Lee
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| Quote: raynor the crab "What exactly do you mean by this as not good that good. Do you mean not as good as other players in his positions at the club or in the league. He is one of the few players at the club at the present time who will bust a gut every time he pulls on the jersey, after all it is a club he has supported since he was young. OK he may not be that good in terms of international standard but he is well above average. If he is not that good, why did Swain and Kearney rate him as one of the most promising youngsters they have known. I think loose forward is a position that would suit Tommy at Hull where he could have the freedom to express his abilities plus he wouldn't shirk the defensive graft in the middle. I don't know how you can play someone like Radford at loose forward who just provides a running game for the position rather than the skills needed for the pivotal position that it is. OK when Washbrook and Houghton/Berrigan are fit he may be behind these two but when injuries strike he is a player to turn to because of his ability to cover several key positions. I do not see it a wise decision to release a player like him. C'mon nobeerineasthull if he is not that good surely you don't remember a few years back when you beat Saints at the KC in 2007 and Horne and Lee were the half backs, I believe Tommy had a blinder that day and that was without Paul Cooke. On the day Saints were at full strength and you were having a dip in form. Maybe you won't have the same view when he comes up trumps against you lot if he is not there next year.'"
So he had a good game back in 2007.
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| Quote: raynor the crab "What exactly do you mean by this as not good that good. Do you mean not as good as other players in his positions at the club or in the league. He is one of the few players at the club at the present time who will bust a gut every time he pulls on the jersey, after all it is a club he has supported since he was young. OK he may not be that good in terms of international standard but he is well above average. If he is not that good, why did Swain and Kearney rate him as one of the most promising youngsters they have known. I think loose forward is a position that would suit Tommy at Hull where he could have the freedom to express his abilities plus he wouldn't shirk the defensive graft in the middle. I don't know how you can play someone like Radford at loose forward who just provides a running game for the position rather than the skills needed for the pivotal position that it is. OK when Washbrook and Houghton/Berrigan are fit he may be behind these two but when injuries strike he is a player to turn to because of his ability to cover several key positions. I do not see it a wise decision to release a player like him. C'mon nobeerineasthull if he is not that good surely you don't remember a few years back when you beat Saints at the KC in 2007 and Horne and Lee were the half backs, I believe Tommy had a blinder that day and that was without Paul Cooke. On the day Saints were at full strength and you were having a dip in form. Maybe you won't have the same view when he comes up trumps against you lot if he is not there next year.'"
Yes folks, Lee is THAT good he is attracting the interest of.....Salford.
Nice guy, probably, good "club man", seems to be, future member os a top 4 squad, nope.
Seriously, all this sentiment needs to stop, or we will forever be mid-table. (and I am sure some would settle for that)
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| Quote: The Key "How do you know what Thormans impression was? Also, I presume he wouldnt have been able to hear the boos as he was in the dressing room'"
When he went for the bomb,I thought it was Tommy Cooper.
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| Quote: barton baird "When he went for the bomb,I thought it was Tommy Cooper.'"
"Just like that"
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