And when he does , he keeps it

Our timing has been all wrong in the last 2 games. Players are over-running the ball so the pass isn't on and even when they dont over-run it the pass is too slow and behind them. Thorman/Horne often get caught with ball because the defense has moved up and our "runners" are not deep enough.

Think people are being harsh about Thorman, thought he did Ok, his long range kicking was fantastic.

Though Thorman created and played better than Horne, but nobody has started a thread about him.

I dont think he is the long answer, but is going a decent job at SH for us. We are still in a better position than most expected.

Quins wern't much better than us, they just took there chances, and for me they the big different was the 40/20, we gave them the field position to score the winning try.

Perfectly summed up.

Thorman, and for that matter Calderwood, are suffering a bit because some fans had already decided they were cr@p before the first game. So when the team plays cr@p they cop it even though there were players who played far worse.

I think we have already made moves for one for 2010, hopefully we will be on the ball with this signing.

With the correct tactics Thorman and Horne can take us a long way this season.

Not behind a beaten pack they can't.

However if we want to win things then we need to have another dimention to our game, that will only come with an out and out SH.

With the correct tactics the pack wont be beaten.

Disagree. Thorman has the ability to throw it wide, keep it tight and vary his kicking game. He is not at fault for our boring 5 drives and a kick. He is fantastic at executing a game plan, he just keeps getting given the wrong one.

Disagree there Paul.......how about a genuine ball handling 13,Washy or Whiting instead of this Aussie bolloxs and playing 3 2nd rowers.

I kow you like your old fashioned 13, I do to in some ways. The fact is Horne and Thorman are not SH's, they can do a job there especially Thorman but they don't dictate games the way a top SH does.

Maybe playing a ball handling 13 would help the both out?

So you are saying Agar told Thorman to throw the ball about against Bradford, then seeing the exciting way we played he then told Thorman to do the opposite against Cas? Sorry I am not having that.

Against Quins I could imagine it due to they way they play and the conditions, it made more sense. They could still have drawn and passed from time to time, they managed it for the Yeaman try well enough didn't they?