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| Quote: Hutchie "in your opinion
and no its no sloeley being safe, but being safe is part of the requriment as is backing up breaks, 2 thins which Horne excels at. Id bet given a bit of time there he could work on his ball returng and quicker PTB's
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Bingo.
Safety in a fullback is hardly an antiquated concept. It's a necessity. Given a few weeks in the role, his kick returns will come and he'll be able to hit the line much better with a decent SH, too. Above all, he looks comfortable there. Assured. That's what we need. |
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| Quote: trys'r'us "There you go! Many (most, probably) in this country hold an antiquated view of what a fullback should be and that view seems to consist solely of 'being safe'.'"
Not sure really. A good full back is a good full back. Gary Kemble played 25 years ago and would be the best FB in Super League if he was playing now. He could catch (on the full), had pace, could join the line as a runner and a link player, and he could support. As in any position the top players have all the skills to play in whatever role they play. The game has changed but the top full backs 25 years ago weren't doing things much different to what they are now, apart from maybe not packing down at loose man in a defensive scrum.  |
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[quote="dave m":36nw6ut6]Briscoe couldn't get into Wigans Team because of Radlinski even though Radlinski was playing crap at the time still better than old bent nose.[/quote:36nw6ut6]
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| Quote: Staffs FC "Not sure really. A good full back is a good full back. Gary Kemble played 25 years ago and would be the best FB in Super League if he was playing now. He could catch (on the full), had pace, could join the line as a runner and a link player, and he could support. As in any position the top players have all the skills to play in whatever role they play. The game has changed but the top full backs 25 years ago weren't doing things much different to what they are now, apart from maybe not packing down at loose man in a defensive scrum. ![]()
I'm not saying 'being safe' isn't desirable. It is. 'Being safe' doesn't make a good fullback, though, if they don't have anything else to bring to the table.
My point was that, in this country, 'being safe' is seen as being enough to be a top fullback. It's been the same for a number of years, just look at our international fullbacks in the recent past: Radlinksi - safe, but not much else; Wellens - safe, but not much else. Both held the position for a numbers of years, with no-one really providing a threat. Prescott aside, they were the best we had to offer. Look at the antipodean internationals for the same period: Lockyer - purely an attacking threat; Barnett - well, we all know what an attacking threat he was; Ridge - hardly limited in attack; Minichiello - again, an all-out attacking weapon; Webb - not overly safe yet one of the best in the game; Hunt - not too bad an attacking threat really; Slater - not what you'd consider safe, but the best in the game.
Just look at that list. It's embarrassing what we've produced in that position and it's an endemic problem over here. Right from junior level, being able to catch (and having a bit of pace, generally) is seen as the only thing necessary to be able to play fullback. It's the same in the amateur game, the odd exception aside, and it's the same at academy level. It's no surprise, therefore, that we simply don't produce good fullbacks at the top level. Lee Smith is the closest we've got FFS. It's also no surprise that all the best fullbacks in the league are antipodean and they're all key players in their teams. It is, IMO, the single biggest reason why we're so far behind the Aussies and until attitudes change, our level of success won't.
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webb isn't particularly safe but I'd take him over motu, horne or briscoe at the back
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| Quote: jimmyfivebellies "Thackray (not delivering what we need)
thackray has been our best prop over the last couple of months,as at least he gives us something different to dowes and cusack who basically have one tactic(run up the middle).'"
jimmy5b - I know what you mean, and I agree - but...
Dowes (and Cusack) are used for a different purpose. They're not there for impact - that's for King, Thackray and Moa. What I'm asking is "do any of those give us enough impact? |
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| Quote: downtheante "jimmy5b - I know what you mean, and I agree - but...
Dowes (and Cusack) are used for a different purpose. They're not there for impact - that's for King, Thackray and Moa. What I'm asking is "do any of those give us enough impact?'"
king has the heart,but no longer the ability(injury prone),and moa simply is at best a championship prop,while thackray has been our one prop capable of breaking the line,and deserves at least a year.dowes and cusack are one dimensional and opposing teams have them in their back pockets from the off,but thacks provides the angle which teams are wary of,and can struggle to contain. |
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| Quote: trys'r'us "I'm not saying 'being safe' isn't desirable. It is. 'Being safe' doesn't make a good fullback, though, if they don't have anything else to bring to the table.
My point was that, in this country, 'being safe' is seen as being enough to be a top fullback. It's been the same for a number of years, just look at our international fullbacks in the recent past
Agree with you and it's not just FB where we have consistently been worse than the Aussies it's more or less every position on the park. The point I was making was that FBs get talked about as requiring 'modern' skills or playing in a 'modern' way when infact the top ones have had the same attributes for donkey's years.
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| Quote: jimmyfivebellies "king has the heart,but no longer the ability(injury prone),and moa simply is at best a championship prop,while thackray has been our one prop capable of breaking the line,and deserves at least a year.dowes and cusack are one dimensional and opposing teams have them in their back pockets from the off,but thacks provides the angle which teams are wary of,and can struggle to contain.'"
I do think that this year Dowes has given us more than in previous years. He's taking the ball up stronger and faster and making some hard yards throughout his entire game-time. Thacks might be the better of the impact props for the reason you give although I think King has shown some real aggression when fit (I thought his spell against Rovers was outstanding). Cusack has been better this season than last (if boring) and always gives us a quick play-the-ball compared to many other players we have. Moa - I still haven't decided - I'm finding it hard to judge him because of the way he has been spelled from the bench. I also think that Maloney has done quite well when given the chance. The thing is, much of my judgement is relative to last year when we were poor across the park and I'm just not sure if any of them are good enough for us for next year. I really hope that they can bring us home this season with great play that shuts me and other doubters up. |
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "webb isn't particularly safe but I'd take him over motu, horne or briscoe at the back'"
that was the plan originally but somehow it went pear shaped. |
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WHY DON'T THE DOBBINS PLAY IN GREEN SHIRT, GREEN SHORTS AND GREEN SOCKS IN ORDER TO EXPRESS THEIR INFINITE ENVY OF EVERYTHING BLACK AND WHITE??:icons42da_files/5424-2890lipst1ck_d0rk-msnicons.jpg |
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| Quote: downtheante "I do think that this year Dowes has given us more than in previous years. He's taking the ball up stronger and faster and making some hard yards throughout his entire game-time. Thacks might be the better of the impact props for the reason you give although I think King has shown some real aggression when fit (I thought his spell against Rovers was outstanding). Cusack has been better this season than last (if boring) and always gives us a quick play-the-ball compared to many other players we have. Moa - I still haven't decided - I'm finding it hard to judge him because of the way he has been spelled from the bench. I also think that Maloney has done quite well when given the chance. The thing is, much of my judgement is relative to last year when we were poor across the park and I'm just not sure if any of them are good enough for us for next year. I really hope that they can bring us home this season with great play that shuts me and other doubters up.'"
I think that you have answered your own question. Cusack, Dowes and King should all go if we are to compete with the best. I would give Thackray another year and see what we get from him and I would also keep both Moa and Maloney as they are almost certainly cheap and both, IMO, have some potential to be good forwards. We need to be in the hunt for two big props (aswell as Lauaki) and we will have a pack to match anyone's. |
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[quote="dave m":36nw6ut6]Briscoe couldn't get into Wigans Team because of Radlinski even though Radlinski was playing crap at the time still better than old bent nose.[/quote:36nw6ut6]
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| Quote: Staffs FC "Agree with you and it's not just FB where we have consistently been worse than the Aussies it's more or less every position on the park. The point I was making was that FBs get talked about as requiring 'modern' skills or playing in a 'modern' way when infact the top ones have had the same attributes for donkey's years.'"
I agree with that, but I think whereas it used to only be the top fullbacks that had those attributes, with them being seen as a luxury/bonus more than anything, it really is a requirement now that they are an attacking threat. Or it should be, anyway.
I'm interested to see what we do with Tansey actually, as he has the potential to play that role and do well there. I think he may well suffer from being seen as a 'utility player' though, because he's got additional skills that weren't previously/aren't associated with being a fullback in this country. |
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| I do guess its easier for the Ozzies to have a not so safe full back 
Would disagree on Radlinski though, i thought he was a very good attacking player and before him Graham Steadman, Steve Hampson and Joe Lydon all very good going forward too |
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| Oh, the deadwood stage is rolling over the plains,
with curtains flapping and driver slapping the reins,
Beautiful sky,
Wonderful day,
whip crack away,whip crack away.
Oh the deadwood stage is heading over the hill,
to take away the useless and the dill,
Radford,Thorman, are on their way,
whip crack away ,whip crack away.
Oh the deadwood stage is coming over the crest,
To take away Byrne ,Tony and the rest
of the crap, they are taking today,
whip crack away,whip crack away.
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| Bart , may well take over from the other Cowboy song. |
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| Quote: barton baird "Oh, the deadwood stage is rolling over the plains,
with curtains flapping and driver slapping the reins,
Beautiful sky,
Wonderful day,
whip crack away,whip crack away.
Oh the deadwood stage is heading over the hill,
to take away the useless and the dill,
Radford,Thorman, are on their way,
whip crack away ,whip crack away.
Oh the deadwood stage is coming over the crest,
To take away Byrne ,Tony and the rest
of the crap, they are taking today,
whip crack away,whip crack away.
(I thank you.) ![]()
That killed the thread then!!
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