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8903.gif [quote="dave m":36nw6ut6]Briscoe couldn't get into Wigans Team because of Radlinski even though Radlinski was playing crap at the time still better than old bent nose.[/quote:36nw6ut6]
[quote="redtillimdead":36nw6ut6]Oh and as for Briscoe,if he was that fab,why did Wigan see fit to let him leave?[/quote:36nw6ut6]:8903.gif |
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| Quote: downtheante "the need to add unplanned for substitutions (e.g. Long retiring hurt and Radford's earlier rotation because of a hit to the head) meant that the number of rotations was greatly reduced. Lyne would have added nothing had he been intorduced under these circumstances. I believe he would have played if we had got through the match on the normal (planned) rotations.'"
I didn't want him to come off the bench, he shouldn't've been on the bench to start with.
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| Quote: Dave K. "Done all I asked for this week, beat Rovers and put in two good displays, playing much better rugby also.'"
And the fans' response at the end of yesterday's match suggests that most people are equally satisfied.
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| Pure bollox as usual
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47381.jpg "Common sense is the deposit of prejudice laid down in the mind before the age of eighteen."
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| Quote: trys'r'us "Yes, that's exactly what I said.
The purpose of the squad is to use the players within it. We had both first choice wingers (or 'wingers' in Briscoe's case) out. We had a winger in the first team squad who was fit and available. Yet we moved four other players out of position to avoid playing a winger on the wing. And left ourselves a man short. That's poor use of the squad. If Lyne isn't capable of standing in on the wing for a game when he's needed, he shouldn't have a contract and be a member of the first team squad.'"
Nonsense. As has been highlighted above, full time training and being around the first team squad will all help a player to make the step up. That doesn't mean they automatically have to be ready to play against one of the strongest sides in the competition 8 games into their debut season. Playing a winger on the wing for the sake of it, regardless of whether they are ready or not is just stupid.
Quote: trys'r'us "Pure supposition. And it doesn't make the decision any less wrong.'"
The decision was not wrong. It was sensible under the circumstances to play more experienced personnel rather than leaving a 17 year old kid exposed when it wouldn't have made a difference to the result.
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8903.gif [quote="dave m":36nw6ut6]Briscoe couldn't get into Wigans Team because of Radlinski even though Radlinski was playing crap at the time still better than old bent nose.[/quote:36nw6ut6]
[quote="redtillimdead":36nw6ut6]Oh and as for Briscoe,if he was that fab,why did Wigan see fit to let him leave?[/quote:36nw6ut6]:8903.gif |
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| Quote: Amadeo Avogadro "Nonsense. As has been highlighted above, full time training and being around the first team squad will all help a player to make the step up. That doesn't mean they automatically have to be ready to play against one of the strongest sides in the competition 8 games into their debut season. Playing a winger on the wing for the sake of it, regardless of whether they are ready or not is just stupid. '"
It wouldn't be 'for the sake of it' though, would it? It would be for the sake of picking the strongest available team. And the team we went with, a man short and players out of position, was not the strongest available team.
Quote: Amadeo Avogadro "The decision was not wrong. It was sensible under the circumstances to play more experienced personnel rather than leaving a 17 year old kid exposed when it wouldn't have made a difference to the result.'"
Again, supposition. What actually happened during the game was that Washbrook struggled at 6 and wasn't in position to put in the work that he would have from 13, Turner didn't get enough of the ball, likewise Hall, and the back-row, Manu and Radford particularly, were struggling for fitness in the last 15, the time when we needed to be tight in defence and also needed Manu at his most potent in attack. Hicks ran in three tries anyway, Yeaman dealt with King as would be expected, so I don't think Lyne would be any more exposed than Hall was (a player who, let's not forget, is routinely criticised for not being good enough defensively). Lyne probably wouldn't have added anything, and he might have been slightly worse than Hall, but we'd have been far better off in other areas of the pitch.
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| Quote: trys'r'us "It wouldn't be 'for the sake of it' though, would it? It would be for the sake of picking the strongest available team. And the team we went with, a man short and players out of position, was not the strongest available team.'"
On this we will have to differ. Putting a young player (and one who has just struggled against Salford) into a patched up team against Warrington would have been asking for bother. I'm glad Agar is making these decisions and not you.
Quote: trys'r'us "Again, supposition. What actually happened during the game was that Washbrook struggled at 6 and wasn't in position to put in the work that he would have from 13, Turner didn't get enough of the ball, likewise Hall, and the back-row, Manu and Radford particularly, were struggling for fitness in the last 15, the time when we needed to be tight in defence and also needed Manu at his most potent in attack. Hicks ran in three tries anyway, Yeaman dealt with King as would be expected, so I don't think Lyne would be any more exposed than Hall was (a player who, let's not forget, is routinely criticised for not being good enough defensively). Lyne probably wouldn't have added anything, and he might have been slightly worse than Hall, but we'd have been far better off in other areas of the pitch.'"
And this isn't supposition?
Did you see the Salford game? It proved that Lynne, whilst a very good prospect, is not ready yet. That Hicks scored 3 tries anyway is immaterial. He might well have scored even more if Lynne had played. Agar got it right. Live with it.
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| Quote: Nobeerineasthull "And the fans' response at the end of yesterday's match suggests that most people are equally satisfied.'"
All those who scurried off early?
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| Quote: Hull Kingston Convicts "All those who scurried off early?'"
Some people leave early for various reasons but at the end of the match there were many thousands who stayed behind to show their appreciation for the effort the team put in.
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8903.gif [quote="dave m":36nw6ut6]Briscoe couldn't get into Wigans Team because of Radlinski even though Radlinski was playing crap at the time still better than old bent nose.[/quote:36nw6ut6]
[quote="redtillimdead":36nw6ut6]Oh and as for Briscoe,if he was that fab,why did Wigan see fit to let him leave?[/quote:36nw6ut6]:8903.gif |
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| Quote: Amadeo Avogadro "On this we will have to differ. Putting a young player (and one who has just struggled against Salford) into a patched up team against Warrington would have been asking for bother. I'm glad Agar is making these decisions and not you.'"
And I'd rather he was making the correct decisions instead of the one he made yesterday.
Quote: Amadeo Avogadro "And this isn't supposition?'"
I don't think it is supposition to say that Hall would be better at centre than Turner, Turner would be better at 6 than Washbrook, Washbrook would be better at 13 than Radford and Radford/Burnett would provide more off the bench than no-one. It's less certain what Lyne would offer, but he'd be playing on the wing, outside a centre who was always going to deal fairly well with his opposite number, so Lyne would have Hicks to deal with and not much else.
Quote: Amadeo Avogadro "Did you see the Salford game? It proved that Lynne, whilst a very good prospect, is not ready yet. That Hicks scored 3 tries anyway is immaterial. He might well have scored even more if Lynne had played. Agar got it right. Live with it.'"
It proved that on two occasions in that game he made the wrong call in defence. It might have suggested other things about his readiness, but we'll never know if he's left on the side-line for the rest of his career because he might not be ready. Yesterday was exactly the sort of situation that he should be being turned to, but a lack of willingness to take a risk meant that didn't happen. And that's an endemic problem with the attitude towards the game in this country, both from coaches and fans.
Agar got it wrong. Live with it.
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47381.jpg "Common sense is the deposit of prejudice laid down in the mind before the age of eighteen."
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| Quote: trys'r'us "And I'd rather he was making the correct decisions instead of the one he made yesterday.
I don't think it is supposition to say that Hall would be better at centre than Turner, Turner would be better at 6 than Washbrook, Washbrook would be better at 13 than Radford and Radford/Burnett would provide more off the bench than no-one. It's less certain what Lyne would offer, but he'd be playing on the wing, outside a centre who was always going to deal fairly well with his opposite number, so Lyne would have Hicks to deal with and not much else.
It proved that on two occasions in that game he made the wrong call in defence. It might have suggested other things about his readiness, but we'll never know if he's left on the side-line for the rest of his career because he might not be ready. Yesterday was exactly the sort of situation that he should be being turned to, but a lack of willingness to take a risk meant that didn't happen. And that's an endemic problem with the attitude towards the game in this country, both from coaches and fans.
Agar got it wrong. Live with it.'"
We're going round in circles. The majority seem to think he got it right and you have said yourself that it 'probably' wouldn't have made a difference to the result. As I said, whatever my feelings about Agar (and the jury is definitely still out), I'm glad it was him picking the side yesterday and not the minority on here who seem to think that exposing a 17 year old to a pasting was a good idea.
This is my final word on the subject.
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| Quote: trys'r'us "This is insane. People are defending deliberately playing with a man short in the second of two games in 4 days?! When, in order to play with a man short, it meant moving another four players out of position!? The team played well and it probably wouldn't have affected the result, but it doesn't make the decision any less wrong.'"
Our wigners and centres did a good job in defence, Lyne would have got murdered. I understand the whole playing a man down but we had little option really.
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| Quote: PAUL M "Our wigners and centres did a good job in defence, Lyne would have got murdered. I understand the whole playing a man down but we had little option really.'"
That's what I was going to ask, who was available and fit to play in Lyne's place?
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| Quote: trys'r'us "It proved that on two occasions in that game he made the wrong call in defence. It might have suggested other things about his readiness, but we'll never know if he's left on the side-line for the rest of his career because he might not be ready. Yesterday was exactly the sort of situation that he should be being turned to, but a lack of willingness to take a risk meant that didn't happen. And that's an endemic problem with the attitude towards the game in this country, both from coaches and fans.
Agar got it wrong. Live with it.'"
The rest of his career, he's 17 for gods sake and it's a huge step up from the U20's to SL. He could not handle Broughton and Hicks is a far better player.
Agar had little option and I suggest people live with that.
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| Quote: Standee "That's what I was going to ask, who was available and fit to play in Lyne's place?'"
Liam Kent was 18th man. I'd have rather put him on the bench as a back rower than carry a winger. Saying that he'd have probably got murdered by the big Wire pack.
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| Quote: Big Dave T "Liam Kent was 18th man. I'd have rather put him on the bench as a back rower than carry a winger. Saying that he'd have probably got murdered by the big Wire pack.'"
Indeed, and once bitten, which Agar was with Lynne at Salford, maybe Agar actually got this one right, explained to Lynne he was unlikely to play unless really necessary, but he wanted him to know he is very much part of the future make-up of the senior side, in a way putting his arm around him and building his confidence back slowly.
Had we won, nobody would have mentioned it.
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