I was definitely not trying to imply you where a keyboard warrior, apologise if it came across like that, but you know as well as me they exist on here

I always wanted Agar to succeed and have defended him on here, because if he did succeed so did my team, sadly I do not believe he has achieved to reach any goal. We have only won 3 out of the last 10 games, Quins, Crusaders and Dobbins which were both basically won in the dying minutes. His win ratio is shocking, his interchanges are even worse, this season we have had over 60 points shipped past us, the rugby so far this season has gone backwards. Sitting 4th or 6th last season won us nothing, we did not even compete in the play-off game, yet you still believe he should get another 8-10 games I totally respect your decision as I do Hullbugs for wearing his shirt, however I know which one I consider pathetic.

So, hes crap but we should keep him?

Makes no sense at all.

Cheers, yes that does seem strange, maybe the FC spin & censorship machine has far more reach than we ever realised!

crap based upon 2 loses after a playoff finish ?? not crap ... maybe not the standard we need as some state but not crap by any means

Priceless

I think the point Paul's been trying to make is that although in his opinion Agar is not the man to take us to where we want to be, if he achieved the target his employers set him last season that should buy him some leeway to see if he can turn things around this season.

I can understand the point without agreeing with it personally.

I'm not sure where you get this from? The vast majority of people who are newly expressing the opinion that Agar should go were previously of the 'wait and see' camp and have been tipped over the edge by the visible lack of progress in addressing key issues over the closed season. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

It's also entirely possible that people may have been against Agar in private and have only just been moved to express that opinion in public.

I am talking about the ones who were slating him last season when losing but then praising him when we won.

Ah, right. Mind you, if a coach is to blame when we lose isn't it fair that he also gets credit when we win?

we never won the games that mattered though did we? Peter Sharp played 5 won 4 v leeds, including 2 at Headingley. Richard Agar played 8 lost 8 v Leeds. After getting stuffed at Headingley in the league we had them in the cup the following week. where was the game plan to neutralise what happened the week before? Lost last 2 games against Rovers, even after being 14-0 up, and then has the temerity to say I've studied the videos of rovers set moves etc, but when push came to shove, where was the defensive structure to combat there so called set moves etc? Absolutely nowhere is where. any decent rugby follower can assemble a side to theoretically challenge for the title, a good coach will create a team with attacking and defensives structures that can be easily be followed even when personnel are injured. show me where Richard Agar has achieved anything like that?

Never said we did, i have been against Agar for a long time so no need to try and convince me.

Like I said last season we had 3 must win games, Leeds cup, Leeds last game at home and Rovers in play-offs. We lost all 3. The season before we only had 1 must win game, Salford in the cup and we also lost to them.
To be fair to Agar though we have not lost a must win game yet this season