Add in the losses of manu and moa last season

Hugely disappointing that all our frailties in attack came home to roost in the most important game of the season (or for five seasons, I suppose).

The handling was atrocious and the kicking game was plain awful. The latter we cannot blame the conditions for.

Agree with Jake about Gentle. Still a lot to prove and not much time to do so. He needs a very good start to next season.

I think Lynch will be missed, arguably Green moves up to fill his boots. We'll miss Tickle's goal-kicking but we do have a pipeline of forwards. Maybe Whiting will get the 12 shirt next year. I hope we see good value for what should be a good wedge freed up, assuming Paea and Ogre play a draw salary wise.

He needs a good finish to this one.

Thing is, we're not good enough this season so we need to be replacing the departing players with better quality but there's been no evidence we're doing itt. Let's hope they have a couple of top quality signings up their sleeves or we may struggle to make the 8 next season as rovers, saints and Salford will all improve

Spent on Ellis and Holdsworth though. Oh, I forgot about Seymour's salary too. Can't see Miller on the same.

I agree. Sounded from the AP interview this week that we have a prop coming in.

I agree, finish in 8th position and lose the first playoff game then I'm sure that Gentle may have to answer some very challenging questions asked of him by his boss.

Lynch this season should be easily replaceable.

True, but I'd be surprised to see him leave the club before next season. Not completely out of the question, of course.

Unless we get hammered in every game I would as well.

agree with most of the sensible posts on this particular thread. when you suffer a bad loss, youve got to learn the lessons from it and move forward.Rounding on the players or the coach is just crass. does anyone honestly think our guys didnt give 100% effort today! just think it was one of those days when nothing sticks or seems to go right. too many errors early in the game from at least half a dozen players led to every one of them trying too hard, pushing passes and offloads that were never on in monsoon conditions. errors snowballed and confidence and cohesion evaporated throughout the team. give Wigan some credit as well, they played to the conditions and their big game experience showed. our guys have got a bit of that experience now and if we replayed the game again next week, daresay we would play ten times better.

The amount of times we should have gone for 2 points but ended up playing and dropping the ball was criminal. Everyone around us was shouting for the 2, it was crystal clear we needed points on the board.

Keep up the optimism lad.

Just wasn't our day today.

I think the weather ruined the day completely, not as an excuse for why we lost, but the whole game was rubbish from start to finish. Add to that everyone being wet through, hurrying to get into the stadium rather than enjoying the atmosphere around Wembley, and then sitting in the stand wet through which again dampened the atmosphere inside.

Wigan played the conditions better, but it truly was a crap game. Uncharacteristic errors across the park, some of our younger lads looked very nervous at times.

Defence was good, but attack was very poor.