spot on

So is it solely down to the coach , or to thick players ??

If the players arent playing to his gameplan they should be dropped. The players dont choose to not pass the ball, or do 5 drives and a kick, or use poor interchanges, or look like they dont even know each other. It comes from hard work on the training pitch.

Id disagree on that

The coach is responsible. He is trying to implement the dullest type of rugby I have ever seen. If he isn't and really wants the side to be more expansive, then he is not doing a very good job with them on the training field.

At the end of the day I have seen under 12's throw the ball about better than we do and both the coaching staff and players should be embarrassed at how we are performing with the ball in hand.

Agree Chico. unless they're brilliantly disguised i suspect we have virtually no set plays. We run up and down the line like headless chickens. You'd think for a side light on a bit of quality, set plays would form the bedrock of alot of our play. God knows what they do at training all week. Do you remember Agar saying "You'll see a different Hull FC both on and off the pitch this season"............Really?

Is it not the coach that sets that gameplan? And if the players do it against his gameplan why doesnt he get the message out to do something different?

I would bet if you go down training you would see them practising moves, putting the ball through hands etc etc

The same as they do in warm up pre match.

When Head and Dykes were both here we did this, mmm I wonder what is different this year

At least he has backed that quote up. Last year we were pathetic, this year were fecking pathetic.

maybe its easier banging your head against the goalposts than doing that

Spot on. next season will be same as with agar in charge. Anyone who understands the game knows it isn't primarilly the quality of players that is the problem. I've seen amateur teams with more structure and a better game plan than we have. It's all down to the coaching and it won't be any different next season. Sure, we may grind out the odd win which we're losing now, but we won't be anywhere near challenging for honours

He shouldnt be a coach then if he cant get the message through to his players.

and if Wayne Bennet came in and we still resorted to type, what would your next move be ?

Question Wayne Bennetts abilty as a coach too.

I agree that the players are responsible for their actions on the pitch which is why we have signed a couple of leaders who will give us the obvious direction we are missing.

One thing I just cant fathom out is Agars under use of his bench. I would love to know what Dowes thinks to been made to play for anything between 65-80 minutes while Moa and Maloney get a token 15 minutes.