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Posted a loss of £74k. Not too shabby.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "Posted a loss of £74k. Not too shabby.'"


does this include stuff like the money paid out to Manu, Mcdonnell settlement and the sneyd transfer fee? If so not too bad all things considered

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Quote: the artist "does this include stuff like the money paid out to Manu, Mcdonnell settlement and the sneyd transfer fee? If so not too bad all things considered'"

Manu's cost and Sneyd's fee will be spread over a longer period I would think.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "Manu's cost and Sneyd's fee will be spread over a longer period I would think.'"

Can you explain how that works even if Pearson is paying both Manu & Salford on the dribble?

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Can you explain how that works even if Pearson is paying both Manu & Salford on the dribble?'"

Why are you asking me?
For someone so keenly versed in business and finance I'm amazed the accruals concept has passed you by.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "Why are you asking me?
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Quote: Mrs Barista "Why are you asking me?
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Quote: Mrs Barista "Why are you asking me? Care to detail how Manu would be treated

The payment to his fund should have been made by the club while he was here, 2007-12 (AP bought us in 2011)

As i understand it, the old board made provisions for these payments, but nothing actually went into the pot. (including 11&12 while AP was here)

so previous accounts show the money as gone. Then suddenly the money has to go, from AP's pocket. I'd assume the club didnt have £200k cash reserves.

Could be a loan, seen as you didnt mention if the accounts mention loans and called up share capital, (I dont expect them to)

My guess would be as good as yours icon_stupid.gif

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Quote: frepneyboy "Care to detail how Manu would be treated

The payment to his fund should have been made by the club while he was here, 2007-12 (AP bought us in 2011)

As i understand it, the old board made provisions for these payments, but nothing actually went into the pot. (including 11&12 while AP was here)

so previous accounts show the money as gone. Then suddenly the money has to go, from AP's pocket. I'd assume the club didnt have £200k cash reserves.

Could be a loan, seen as you didnt mention if the accounts mention loans and called up share capital, (I dont expect them to)

My guess would be as good as yours
Deary me. What sort of accounts wouldn't "mention called up share capital"? Of course there are loans, but there's no detail. The crystallisation of the liability re Manu's EBT is ambiguous, but appears potentially to straddle the 2014 year end. As for Sneyd, the accounts are clear that the fee is amortised over the life of his contract.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "Why are you asking me? So basically you don't know with respect to Manu and are guessing icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Mrs Barista "Deary me. What sort of accounts wouldn't "mention called up share capital"? Of course there are loans, but there's no detail. The crystallisation of the liability re Manu's EBT is ambiguous, but appears potentially to straddle the 2014 year end. As for Sneyd, the accounts are clear that the fee is amortised over the life of his contract.'"

I didnt mention Sneyd, as generally in puffball and RL fees are run over contracts.

Anyway

My post assumed there would be no detail in the accounts, thank you for confirming that, its all i simply asked, no need to jump up and down.

My point about the EBT

AP has presided over 2 years of non payments, that were probably in the accounts as paid

Plenty on here jumping up and down wanting "forensic audits" of the SMC accounts,

i hope ours are clean........

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "So basically you don't know with respect to Manu and are guessing The question was whether Manu's payout, reported as £200k, was included in the £74k loss. Given it accrued over several years I expect it would have been reflected over a longer period in the accounts. You were challenging the principle. Cash accounting isn't really on trend in the UK. Policy of amortisation on Sneyd's fee is explicit.

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Quote: frepneyboy "I didnt mention Sneyd, as generally in puffball and RL fees are run over contracts.

Anyway

My post assumed there would be no detail in the accounts, thank you for confirming that, its all i simply asked, no need to jump up and down.

My point about the EBT

AP has presided over 2 years of non payments, that were probably in the accounts as paid

Plenty on here jumping up and down wanting "forensic audits" of the SMC accounts,

i hope ours are clean........'"


I don't get what you mean. If there's a liability created, it hits the P&L and you either pay it out in cash or create a provision in the balance sheet.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "I don't get what you mean. If there's a liability created, it hits the P&L and you either pay it out in cash or create a provision in the balance sheet.'"

Lets talk laymens terms for the viewers benefit.

Say Manu did 5 years here, each year £40k went into the pot, so every year the accounts show £40k paid to the pot.

The money never went

So for 5 years accounts this payment was never made. Where did the £200k go?

And as AP has now had to pay the full £200k, he'll stump that in personally, still doesnt say what happened to the £200k that "had been paid" but infact never was.

Follow the cash.......

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