How many games do you think it will take us to lose before Agar goes??

I for one would be prepared to put up with it..things simply have to change

Reckon a couple of years

I would imagine 8-12 games in and only 3/4 wins then he could be in trouble. That said the board seem to be backing him.

Well for me I would rather lose 8 to 12 and get rid of Agar.

He simply has to go for this team to progress!!

Don't disagree. That said I would like him to see the season out either way so we can think long and hard about who we want next rather than rushing into an appointment.

It was your first game! You were one game off finishing 4th last season and that was without half backs for most of the year! He has brought players such as Fitzgibbon and O'Meley in who are possibly the best players you've had at the club since Smith and Best. Berrigan stuffed up your pre-season and Tansey really threw spanners in the works. With those two and the other players being able to play in their correct positions you'd have probably not let a 14pt lead go.

With Phelps you have a brilliant full back or utility back who will bring plenty of pace and smart thinking to your back line. That is probably what is missing in your backs, a bit of brains. Lynne, Turner, Briscoe are all very young, Whiting is solid in everything he does but he's not an inventive type player while Yeaman does what he does and does it well however he's very much an indevidual. With Phelps I think you'll get the best out of your youngsters because he'll bring them in to the game more and they'll learn a heck of a lot.

Remember also you only started to lose the game because you had to take O'Meley off the pitch, his runs troubled us, Fitzgibbon was being asked to do too much in defence after that which made him less effective later on in the game.

Agar might not be a great coach but after what you guys should have seen as a successful season last year to want him out after only one game at the start of the season is pretty poor. Maybe it is because you share a football stadium you are getting a football esqué mindset of how to deal with losing games!!!

You'll all be full of joy and laughter if you go out and beat Leeds. Get your defence right and Longy will produce the points. Turner at centre will be more solid too as he is a big unit to run at.

I was glad of the win yesterday and had no doubts going in to it even at 14-0 down I thought we had a win in us but had that been the case in 8 weeks time I'd have been wanting to see the 80th minute very quickly indeed!!!

All good points. The Agar frenzy has been happening for a while now and even if we won our next 5 games people would still complain, they just don't like him.

He could make things easier on himself though, he could play Fitz at prop and spell him so he and O'Meeley did opposite spells. He could play Westerman at 13, little things like that would at least mean he was picking what fans would say is a better looking side. That said fans wanted Briscoe at centre for a while and he did not do much there yesterday.

We will be better with Phelps at FB and Whiting in the centres but I fear his lack of thought about how to fit Westy will leave fans complaining even more.

All this about people not liking Agar is a load of tosh. As a person i have no feelings of like or dislike towards him. As a coach and what his coaching is doing to Hull FC i think he is the anti-christ and wish him banished to the national leagues to be never seen again. If a national league club would take him of course and there probably wouldnt be many who would.

Nick HKR you make some good points in your post..

Can I ask.. Would you have him over Morgan as a coach??

How many games? I honestly think you are looking at 10 at least. This board will back him to the hilt, even tho the hole is getting deeper and deeper!

I'm not convinced he'll go no matter how bad results are. Our squad is so thin and add in the players we've lost then he'll have a ready made excuse unless we have miraculous luck with injuries.

I also suspect that the board won't want to have no coach in place during such an important recruitment year.

Like it or not, I don't think he's going anywhere

Problem with Monday morning fans is that you have hindsight to go on. If Fitz was to go at prop who do you drop? Radders seems to do well now he is at prop, Lauaki and Moa both didn't do bad once they got on the field they just were not O'Meley!

Westerman I agree should be at loose man, his skills are too great for second row. He does still have to get used to the players around him, he's been at Cas for a long time since leaving you guys so he needs time just like Sharp and Phelps do.

Also by moving Fitz to prop you lose a lot of skill from this great player, what I'd do is play him in the second row as a Ben Galea type player who can use his skills but not taking the place of someone that may well be the future for you.

Briscoe I think has become an established (yet still raw) winger at this level and he'll need a few more years of service there to make a very good centre at the standard a play off chasing team need. You do not get many top 6 sides with a wet behind the ears centre.

I see where your fans come from with this Agar thing but surely he's taken you forward since he took over in pretty difficult conditions and has had some terrible luck with injuries to contend with so I think he did more than enough to ease your fears last season when you were very unlucky not to be in the top 4, with half backs for more than 20 rounds and you may have troubled the top 3.

I'd be saying the same if he were in charge of rovers.

If morgan left rovers, would you be happy with agar as a replacement?

So Nick ..... Agar or Morgan??

Why would he want to lose Morgan when they are doing ok?