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Some positive news. It's obviously just a pipe dream but Hull could probably squeeze in a 15000 all seater stadium/sports village on the land just north or Inglemire Lane in collaboration with the right stakeholders. icon_biggrin.gif

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ng-9461065
Some positive news. It's obviously just a pipe dream but Hull could probably squeeze in a 15000 all seater stadium/sports village on the land just north or Inglemire Lane in collaboration with the right stakeholders. icon_biggrin.gif

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ng-9461065


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Quote: DarksideDave "Some positive news. It's obviously just a pipe dream but Hull could probably squeeze in a 15000 all seater stadium/sports village on the land just north or Inglemire Lane in collaboration with the right stakeholders.
Why on earth would you want our home ground in north Hull and not west hull?

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I know it’s only tongue in cheek but in general I don’t see the obsession with this 15K stadium stuff especially somewhere like Inglemire lane, think people are falling for this Rovers nonsense that you can only have success if you own a bit of land. Rovers are going well because they’re buying top players because they’ve got backers with money. Wigan had plenty of success joint tenants with a football team.

Assuming we take Adam on his word and the new lease is all but agreed get things right on the field and playing in a bigger stadium is not an issue. Been some electric atmosphere games and big crowds when we actually had a decent side.

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We don't need to move from the KC but I do struggle to see why people would have an issue if we was to move out of west hull. As long as we wasn't to stray too far I I don't see any issues

Back on topic is they any images of the new gaff online anywhere yet?

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eusa_think.gif If it's west of the river...

Obsession is a strong word. Don't think I've ever raised the subject before. That said, we are the poor relations in our current home with seemingly little or no say in matters that have a direct impact on the club.

It's on topic! icon_biggrin.gifOH: icon_lol.gif

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Costello would be the no 1 location .

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Quote: DarksideDave "eusa_think.gif If it's west of the river...

Obsession is a strong word. Don't think I've ever raised the subject before. That said, we are the poor relations in our current home with seemingly little or no say in matters that have a direct impact on the club.

It's on topic!

I did acknowledge that your post was clearly tongue in cheek and said the post wasn’t aimed at you but about the general clamour that’s crept in for this smaller stadium recently.

Again through not aimed at you particularly but I’ve seen a lot of people claim that we can’t make important decisions at the stadium but I’m honestly curious as what these decisions we have been prevented making are? City have had to move games to accommodate us recently, we’ve got the clubs preferred Saturday afternoon kick off time and AP seems happy with the situation. There’s the laying of the new pitch in our season, but it’s well documented that we didn’t pay towards it so it’s fair enough. Just seems to me people like to make a mountain out of a molehill sometimes.

Obviously in an ideal world we’d have our own stadium, but in this climate you think it would be about £50 million at least if not more to build from scratch. That’s a huge investment of money we’ll never likely to have just so we can choose what Lager to sell on the concourse or hang a few pictures up or whatever issues people have with the current stadium.

IMO producing players like Wigan, St Helen’s and Leeds have over the years should be a bigger priority, and hopefully this helps with that.

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Quote: Blackandwhitebigdog "Why on earth would you want our home ground in north Hull and not west hull?'"


Someone from the club told me years ago that a high percentage of our fanbase live on Bransholme (many families moved there from Hessle Road when it opened) so it's not actually the worst location in town. The Avenues and Cottingham will also have a good amount of our supporters.

Unless we find a multi millionaire who's had a few impact head injuries and wants to lose all the fortune on RL it isn't happening though icon_smile.gif

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Quote: DSJ1983 "I did acknowledge that your post was clearly tongue in cheek and said the post wasn’t aimed at you but about the general clamour that’s crept in for this smaller stadium recently.

Again through not aimed at you particularly but I’ve seen a lot of people claim that we can’t make important decisions at the stadium but I’m honestly curious as what these decisions we have been prevented making are? City have had to move games to accommodate us recently, we’ve got the clubs preferred Saturday afternoon kick off time and AP seems happy with the situation. There’s the laying of the new pitch in our season, but it’s well documented that we didn’t pay towards it so it’s fair enough. Just seems to me people like to make a mountain out of a molehill sometimes.

Obviously in an ideal world we’d have our own stadium, but in this climate you think it would be about £50 million at least if not more to build from scratch. That’s a huge investment of money we’ll never likely to have just so we can choose what Lager to sell on the concourse or hang a few pictures up or whatever issues people have with the current stadium.

IMO producing players like Wigan, St Helen’s and Leeds have over the years should be a bigger priority, and hopefully this helps with that.'"


Some Hull and City fans are far too negative about the stadium. Without it being built Pearson and Hetherington wouldn't have bought the teams and there was a chance one or both would have gone bust. Since it opened we've had 3 CC wins and City have had 3 spells in the Premier League. And also Grand Final and FA Cup final defeat too.

Yes it's too big but the big issue with the atmosphere is how poor we are. It has been noisy in the past, particularly in the 00s when it felt like we were a growing club going places.

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Quote: DSJ1983 " Rovers are going well because they’re buying top players because they’ve got backers with money. .'"


The reason Rovers have backers with money is because the club owns the ground and surrounding land. But don't forget that Neil Hudgell owns more than 75% of the shares so is still effectively the sole owner. The reason that Sewell and Kilburn were attracted is the development opportunities that are on offer.

Craven Park is going to be developed bit by bit over the years and Sewell Group and MKM (Kilburn joint owner) will play a major role. Also there are 7 pockets of land one of which already has planning permission for housing.

Of course Rovers do also have multi millionaire James McNicol son of former chairman who is ploughing in money simply because he is a supporter.

Owning the ground means that Rovers collect every single penny that is generated. Rovers are now attracting bigger crowds than Hull FC anyway so are miles ahead in terms of matchday income.

As Adam Pearson said after Rovers purchased the stadium 'I can only envy Hull Kingston Rovers'.

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Quote: UllFC "Some Hull and City fans are far too negative about the stadium. Without it being built Pearson and Hetherington wouldn't have bought the teams and there was a chance one or both would have gone bust. Since it opened we've had 3 CC wins and City have had 3 spells in the Premier League. And also Grand Final and FA Cup final defeat too.

Yes it's too big but the big issue with the atmosphere is how poor we are. It has been noisy in the past, particularly in the 00s when it felt like we were a growing club going places.'"


Exactly this. It’s a great stadium in our traditional club heartland and we already have loads of history there. The bare bones 10k attendances the atmosphere is flat but if we stop getting hammered every week and get a bit of buzz around the club again could easily be back to 12-13K, 15K with a good side.

The obvious downside is the lack of extra revenue to be made from non rugby stuff. It’s a salary cap sport though set at 2.1 million, it’s not going to stop us competing with anyone really. The council and the SMC have seemingly knocked the concerts on the head at the stadium and Rovers don’t seem to be doing many now so maybe it’s just not the money spinner people thought it was anyways.

Even under the Allams the petty arguments seemed to boil down to money, find ourselves in a decent financial situation I’m sure we can make the ground feel like home again if we are willing to pay for club decorations and stuff around the ground. Hardly been a priority past few seasons though.

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Quote: His Bobness "The reason Rovers have backers with money is because the club owns the ground and surrounding land. But don't forget that Neil Hudgell owns more than 75% of the shares so is still effectively the sole owner. The reason that Sewell and Kilburn were attracted is the development opportunities that are on offer.

Craven Park is going to be developed bit by bit over the years and Sewell Group and MKM (Kilburn joint owner) will play a major role. Also there are 7 pockets of land one of which already has planning permission for housing.

Of course Rovers do also have multi millionaire James McNicol son of former chairman who is ploughing in money simply because he is a supporter.

Owning the ground means that Rovers collect every single penny that is generated. Rovers are now attracting bigger crowds than Hull FC anyway so are miles ahead in terms of matchday income.

As Adam Pearson said after Rovers purchased the stadium 'I can only envy Hull Kingston Rovers'.'"


I don’t doubt that Rovers have a much better match day income then Hull. We can both only spend 3.1 million or a year whatever it is even if you max out every single marquee dispensation regardless.

It’s great for you because you was able to buy the ground at a decent price. Like I said earlier, it would cost Hull likely £60-70 million to build a ground, going off St Helens cost of £25 million 15 years ago for no real advantage. Maybe we’d get an extra 0.25 points for primary tenancy or whatever on IMG, but that’s not going to be around long anyways.

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Quote: DSJ1983 "Exactly this. It’s a great stadium in our traditional club heartland and we already have loads of history there. The bare bones 10k attendances the atmosphere is flat but if we stop getting hammered every week and get a bit of buzz around the club again could easily be back to 12-13K, 15K with a good side.

The obvious downside is the lack of extra revenue to be made from non rugby stuff. It’s a salary cap sport though set at 2.1 million, it’s not going to stop us competing with anyone really. The council and the SMC have seemingly knocked the concerts on the head at the stadium and Rovers don’t seem to be doing many now so maybe it’s just not the money spinner people thought it was anyways.

Even under the Allams the petty arguments seemed to boil down to money, find ourselves in a decent financial situation I’m sure we can make the ground feel like home again if we are willing to pay for club decorations and stuff around the ground. Hardly been a priority past few seasons though.'"


Concerts involve giving the promoter a big fee up front and taking on all the risk. Years ago when the stadium had gigs they ended up reducing tickets to break even, but the problem there is when you've done that once the public remembers and hold off buying full price tickets next time.

The Who and Rod Stewart drew poor crowds at Craven Park last year, both acts too old, prices high and you end up with pitch damage which is why they've not bothered this year.

The only thing we miss out on is bar and food takings but how much profit is really made during 3 hours for 15 nights/days a year?

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Quote: DSJ1983 "I don’t doubt that Rovers have a much better match day income then Hull. We can both only spend 3.1 million or a year whatever it is even if you max out every single marquee dispensation regardless.

It’s great for you because you was able to buy the ground at a decent price. Like I said earlier, it would cost Hull likely £60-70 million to build a ground, going off St Helens cost of £25 million 15 years ago for no real advantage. Maybe we’d get an extra 0.25 points for primary tenancy or whatever on IMG, but that’s not going to be around long anyways.'"


I think we might have agreed with each other.

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Quote: DarksideDave "Some positive news. It's obviously just a pipe dream but Hull could probably squeeze in a 15000 all seater stadium/sports village on the land just north or Inglemire Lane in collaboration with the right stakeholders.
None starter We're fine where we are and building would mean risking ending up with an unfinished dump similar to Lighstream Craven Park!!

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