With PG seemingly being true to his word and not picking players who are not 100% fit e.g. carroll only 85% and not picked....There's NO EXCUSES for players like Horny under performing and playing most of last season 65% fit.

THIS IS NOT having a go at 'horny', just stating that if you don't perform well you can't blame being injured....How refreshing.

PG needs to fully utilise his bench to contribute to keeping players fresh and protect any injured players.

Horne has been a fantastic servant to the club and was a quality player but IMO he is only playing because of his reputation as a Hull born and bred lad. He hasn't been good enough in the past 4 years, mainly down to injury etc. If he wasn't at Hull would he get into any top 8 team in the SL? To be honest the only SL clubs that might play him would be Salford and possibly Wakefield. I'm not slating Horne because he always gives 100% effort and was a quality player. Once upon a time he was like a Danny McGuire. Fast, skillful and elusive but I don't think he adds much now. Maybe I'm being over critical or harsh but from what I've seen he hasn't been up to the standard our club want's to be aiming for. Rather go with the young guns (Ellis and Nicklas) with Seymour. If Horney still isn't fully fit, give him a few months off.

WTF!

Horney was one of the our best players last week you muppets.

Dear, oh dear. Oh dear. Oh dear.


Oh dear.

WTF are you two harping on about??? you say your not having a go at him yet mention him personally, slack tarts!!
Richard Horne was clearly our best , if not close to our best player on the field last weekend , give it a rest and give him a chance FFS and before you make daft comments actually nip along and watch a match now and then and see for yourself

after one game and one you didnt even watch ?? maybe just a tad eh

What percentage of the time, roughly, over those 4 years has he been playing in his preferred position with a settled half back partner?

How hard can it be? Richard Horne is not a scrum half. He's not an organiser. He's not got much of a long range kicking game. Yet he's been asked to step into those roles time and time again over the past few years - often whilst carrying an injury himself. If he gets a run at stand off and manages to stay fit, judge him then.

I agree that I shouldn't be criticising him so early. He may have had a good game last week. Hopefully it will continue. Basically what I'm saying is that he should step up to to plate more often this season and do more. He hasn't done much for a good few years. Everyone who knows anything about rugby will agree with that! Maybe down to injury. Hopefully that's behind him and he can kick on and play well. He will have to because we have good young halfbacks breathing down his neck.

I disagree, i think he has had to do too much.

He has had to captain, direc the team, play scrum half/full back/stand off, be the main field kicker etc

That isnt his game, and never has been. He is a runner, with a good short kicking game and a good defender all of which we saw from him on Sunday

jesus how many times do we have to tell these people that ?? also how many of the other so called big half backs has had no settled partner for nearly 4 years?? shall we try NONE of them!!!
Cmon get a grip guys i know some love a good whine on here but this is taking the biscuit and the cup

Maybe he is in the wrong role then. 6 & 7's need to be good organisers and creative. All the top SL clubs have two top halfbacks that can organise and create. This is why they score more and win. You can't just have one organiser and playmaker and one support player. That just puts added pressure on a 7.

What was it you said in an earlier post on this thread about "anyone who knows anything about rugby" do you include yourself in that bracket

I don't even know where to begin pointing out how utterly ridiculous this statement is. Danny McGuire is not an organiser. Neither is Leon Pryce. Briers does most of the organising at Wire (whilst wearing 6), but Myler (wearing 7) does not. Even Lee Gaskell at Saints played very much in the running/supporting role last season, whilst Lomax was the main organiser. And no one ever said Horne wasn't creative, but his creativity is more likely to be a piece of off-the-cuff brilliance, rather than organising plays and directing the team. Of course both players will have some input into both areas of the halfback partnership, but it's certainly not unusual (or disadvantageous) for the two players to have differing, complimentary strengths.

Either way, Horne was usually playing alongside someone like Washbrook who had no ability whatsoever as a half back. He could hardly be expected to do it all under those circumstances, could he?

See the 5years old are out again on here with personal insults.

Once again CLASSIC mis-interpretation.

1. Horny was an example....a very good example of LAST seasons poor decision making of our coach on playing INJURED players.

2. Were did I slate off Horny on last weeks game?

3. Surprisingly, I do actually ATTEND matches.

4. CONSTRUCTIVE criticismn....LOOK up the word CONSTRUCTIVE

Who's the SLACK TART now, idiot.