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| I keep reading and hearing the pundits on radio humberside about the culture that needs changing at KC
Can someone please enlighten me as to what is this culture they keep on bringing up and have done since John Kear was coach
I would really like to know
Please advise
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| Quote: easthull4 "I keep reading and hearing the pundits on radio humberside about the culture that needs changing at KC
Can someone please enlighten me as to what is this culture they keep on bringing up and have done since John Kear was coach
I would really like to know
Please advise'"
Its rubbish, just an excuse.
All that is needed at this club is a competent coach who can recognise that flair and skill is an important part of todays game and needs to be encouraged.
The problem at this club is purely down to Radfords inability to mould a winning team from the resources he has and his blinkered view that his teams have to be robot tacklers otherwise they don't play.
Having a new coach should show improved team and player performance.You only have to look at Salford,castleford,Wakefield and Bradford.
He blames everyone but himself for defeats yet time after time continues with bizarre team selections and interchanges, then the threats of wholesale changes for the next match.
We have had enough now Radford please go.
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its been around a decade since shaun mcrea spoke to the press about a cancer at the club and culture after a record defeat to saints! thats why i dont buy into it anymore!
the only player in that line up still at the club is richard horne! i think we can put to bed this excuse well and truely!
until Pearson gets the coaching set up right we will continue to flounder, we need experience! cas got powell after he learnt his trade at fev, i hope Pearson is keeping a close eye on someone like Paul Rowley who has been coaching at Leigh for a few seasons now and doing excellenty, if it goes tits up early next season, which being fc is more than likely!
www.hullfc.com/first-team/match/ ... lens-10-64
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its been around a decade since shaun mcrea spoke to the press about a cancer at the club and culture after a record defeat to saints! thats why i dont buy into it anymore!
the only player in that line up still at the club is richard horne! i think we can put to bed this excuse well and truely!
until Pearson gets the coaching set up right we will continue to flounder, we need experience! cas got powell after he learnt his trade at fev, i hope Pearson is keeping a close eye on someone like Paul Rowley who has been coaching at Leigh for a few seasons now and doing excellenty, if it goes tits up early next season, which being fc is more than likely!
www.hullfc.com/first-team/match/ ... lens-10-64
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| Quote: easthull4 "I keep reading and hearing the pundits on radio humberside about the culture that needs changing at KC
Can someone please enlighten me as to what is this culture they keep on bringing up and have done since John Kear was coach
I would really like to know
Please advise'"
Those two idiots on radio humberside yesterday Richardson and Lloyd also harped on about this 'culture at the club'. As you said it has been here for a very long time, and all those that have passed through have been infected by/with this 'culture'.
Gollum and his side kick believe it is so big and out of control and it's like trying to turn around a (Richardson) a Cruise Liner and the dim wit that is Lloyd tried to amplify it by saying it was a Super Tanker. They really did their best to exaggerate any club failings.
As for the alleged culture, I think it is well and truly gone, the only people left from that time are Horne/Yeaman/Last, coaches, players and back room staff have all been changed on a regular basis since then and any 'culture' would have been diluted to pi$$ by now.........Unless the 3 mentioned are still infected.
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| Quote: me 'n' our kid "Those two idiots on radio humberside yesterday Richardson and Lloyd also harped on about this 'culture at the club'. As you said it has been here for a very long time, and all those that have passed through have been infected by/with this 'culture'.
Gollum and his side kick believe it is so big and out of control and it's like trying to turn around a (Richardson) a Cruise Liner and the dim wit that is Lloyd tried to amplify it by saying it was a Super Tanker. They really did their best to exaggerate any club failings.
As for the alleged culture, I think it is well and truly gone, the only people left from that time are Horne/Yeaman/Last, coaches, players and back room staff have all been changed on a regular basis since then and any 'culture' would have been diluted to pi$$ by now.........Unless the 3 mentioned are still infected.'"
Doesn't have to be the same players. Cultures are made over time, as old players go, new ones come in but habits can evolve.
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| do the club still do alcohol testing monday mornings or has that been knocked on the head by our landlord, sorry coach lol
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| Quote: number 6 "do the club still do alcohol testing monday mornings or has that been knocked on the head by our landlord, sorry coach lol'"
What's the point of testing only on Mondays?
Given some of our performances this season, they should extend any testing to matchdays too
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| Quote: Hutchie "Doesn't have to be the same players. Cultures are made over time, as old players go, new ones come in but habits can evolve.'"
You a right, but I am also of the opinion that it had just become an excuse now. I would like Radford or Pearson or whoever to say what the mean rather than just using it as a buzzword.
I rarely see evidence of players not putting effort in on the pitch (there are notable examples, but it doesn't happen often). In the modern game hard work will only get you so far, more skillful, better drilled teams will find you out if you're not good enough.
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| Quote: Hutchie "Doesn't have to be the same players. Cultures are made over time, as old players go, new ones come in but habits can evolve.'"
I agree with that that could be the case, but don't you think that with the big turnover of personnel that it would have weakened by now. We all knew that Paul King had a bad record for drinking, but I don't see that he would have had a major influence!! The likes of Berrigan and J Smith would have been bad influences with their 'habits'.. but surely that would have been tempered by the likes of Swain and Fitzgibbon.
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| Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "In the modern game hard work will only get you so far, more skillful, better drilled teams will find you out if you're not good enough.'"
The sum of all our parts (playing ability) has been proved to be far, far greater than the whole. As has been often said: the current squad is certainly not (or at least shouldn't be) a 12th place team
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| Quote: cod'ead "What's the point of testing only on Mondays?
Given some of our performances this season, they should extend any testing to matchdays too'"
Agree, seeing as we are worldbeaters in training maybe it should be matchdays
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| Quote: cod'ead "The sum of all our parts (playing ability) has been proved to be far, far greater than the whole. As has been often said
I can't argue with that, the players (on paper) should be making the playoffs.
But is it a culture problem or are we simply badly coached? I aren't there day to day, I have no idea what happens, all I have to go on is match day. As I said the effort is generally there during games, so I have to assume it is also there in training (how often are we told how great we have trained?). This problem has apparently been there since McRea's days, yet we have been to 4 major finals since then. This season I doubt we would have been able to reach the Northern Rail final (or whatever it's called these days).
So is the players attitude worse this year (if so Radford has failed because it was his job to improve it), or is the coaching worse?
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| Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "I can't argue with that, the players (on paper) should be making the playoffs.
But is it a culture problem or are we simply badly coached? I aren't there day to day, I have no idea what happens, all I have to go on is match day. As I said the effort is generally there during games, so I have to assume it is also there in training (how often are we told how great we have trained?). This problem has apparently been there since McRea's days, yet we have been to 4 major finals since then. This season I doubt we would have been able to reach the Northern Rail final (or whatever it's called these days).
So is the players attitude worse this year (if so Radford has failed because it was his job to improve it), or is the coaching worse?'"
No matter how well or poorly we are coached, we certainly seem to be badly managed. A good manager will be able to take an underperforming member of staff to one side, let them know their failings (while also praising their good points) and offering a solution to make sure those failings are at least mitigated.
Something that seems to be way outside Radford's capabilities
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| Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "I can't argue with that, the players (on paper) should be making the playoffs.
But is it a culture problem or are we simply badly coached? I aren't there day to day, I have no idea what happens, all I have to go on is match day. As I said the effort is generally there during games, so I have to assume it is also there in training (how often are we told how great we have trained?). This problem has apparently been there since McRea's days, yet we have been to 4 major finals since then. This season I doubt we would have been able to reach the Northern Rail final (or whatever it's called these days).
So is the players attitude worse this year (if so Radford has failed because it was his job to improve it), or is the coaching worse?'"
The squad is probably good enough to scrape into the 8 but not much more than that.
Having a culture problem and a bad coach are not mutually exclusive. I think there probably is an attitude/culture problem at the club, which is one reason why successive coaches have struggled. Training well but not producing on the pitch is a good indicator of a bad attitude IMO.
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| It's not necessarily about culture, culture is something that can be developed. It sounds quite simple, but we need to create an environment which encourages players to be the best they can, that promotes players have the right attitude and worms out the ones that don't.
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