None were good enough at the time, I genuinely believe had they stayed at FC they wouldn’t be half the players they are now, they’d have continued to believe their own hype and stagnated like numerous current players.

It took for them to be released to give them the motivation to turn their potential into performance. Abdull and Lewis particularity have a huge chip on their shoulder, you could tell in their interviews before the derby, being released hurt them but they got their heads down and became better players for it.

I didn’t go yesterday and didn’t even listen on radio as I decided not to let it ruin my night for a change so I can’t really comment on the performance

But I’m going to disagree with a lot of people on here. I do think our players are trying. They’re not good enough and it’s just a bunch of players, not a team.

Rovers for example are just a solid team, tackle aggressively as a unit and build from there. We just have a bunch of individuals with 0 resilience

On serious about rugby league tony smith has explained the cause of hulls demise,its not the players fault its social media putting pressure on them.Well thanks for clearing that up for us tony,im sure hull fans will feel a bit better now.

Forget the coach and the players, this comes down to recruitment.

Adam Pearson and James Clark are responsible for this mess, they’ve made 5/6 years of terrible recruitment decisions that have taken a top 4 side to a below average squad, half of which is out of contract at the same time, it’s an absolute shambles.

Clark needs firing and Pearson needs to sell, neither are capable of sorting this out.

It does seem as though they are becoming a feeder club for us,anyone would think they had small club syndrome.Still iam prepared to say thank you.

But our worst players are also likes of Houghton lane mcnamara

So it's not all about recruitment

Yes likes of mcintosh, Evans lovodua have been poor signings esp the first 2

I still think Smith needs to take some of the blame, consistently picking under performing players, I fail to see how the likes of Barron, Balmforth and Staverley and Scott could do any worst that Mcintosh, Houghton, Lovodua and Lane. We look alot worse than either seasons under Hodgson. Ge handling of the Savelio situation is really poor, picking out one player and criticising him I'm public.

It's OK saying he needs to bring his own players in, but we have to get well clear if relegation or players won't come, we look in real danger as it stands and sadly relying on Leigh to do us a favour.

He has to turn us around, a good coach should be able to motivate and improve players, we look worse in both areas.

Recruitment and retention, its the same thing, both have been poor.

Ok so it’s retention as well as recruitment. It all boils down to giving contracts to the wrong people. Sometimes it’s the wrong length of contract that’s the issue. Scott Taylor springs to mind.

Just a thought guys, Don’t forget/under estimate the role of Davidson as S&C coach….in the last few years at Leeds our injury record and fitness was generally poor under him. he seemed to do a good job in that role many years ago, but times and the game has changed…..maybe his methods haven’t changed adequately and/or at to suit the modern game??

Clearly Tony Smith loves him as they were together at Huddersfield and he was one of the first back room coaching appointments he made when bringing him across with him to the Rhinos.

Obviously bonaire is the answer