Heard about the Josh Jones wanting to leave a couple of months ago from the Son of a former sponsor to Hull who is still in contact with AP who is actually quite open to his close contacts regarding the going ons within the club. Wants a big fee for his release otherwise it’s a no go.

And if the coach and indeed club as a whole had done better with the talent and money we had in the last 6 years do you not think that the future might have been a bit more rosy in terms of potential to get the cabinet having something in it?
That's not dissimilar to what happened with Bunting, huge investment in players, won a couple of big trophies and then we fizzled out, at least with Bunting we didn't get walloped as we have under Radford, coaches have their limits, but if you get a great squad in, get some luck injury wise (Saints had that in droves in recent times) and win a few games on the bounce you can look fantastic and win some silverware, but it doesn't make you a great coach.

Would you not agree that just the 2 CC wins are a bit of a disappointment on the back of what the owner put in and the personnel we had over the last 6 years, add into which the last 2 1/4 seasons, cutting back the squad for various cap/player contract reasons, more big investments and out the play-offs the last two seasons?
It's the highs and the huge lows that follow that make you question Radford's coaching ability.

Lee can be happy with what he achieved, and what he, the players and all the staff involved gave us, we can't forget those highs, but as fans we should have expected more from the squad/investment, not necessarily that we were going to win trophies every year, but actually put us on a bit more of a level pegging with other big clubs.
We should have an expectation that the coach should do better in how he coached tactics, how he handled players, both top earners and youngsters (including personal spats), to how he managed the back room stuff, to the youth system, and most of all not getting drummed several times over to the point of record defeats
That negative stuff is an equal part of Lee's legacy.

But we have to move forward and to go forward thinking we won't win anything in ten years is just silly really.

Yes of course, but the way the poster I replied to was talking about removing rights of players to seek employment elsewhere with embargo's that add on to what already existed, that doesn't sit right, even more so in these times, it came across as you can't leave a club or even enter into looking elsewhere under a threat of penalty.

Threat of penalty ? Where?

Something will have to be done, the sooner the better.
If the season is extended by 3 months, players who don't get a renewed contract won't be playing for other clubs in those games because there are signing deadlines.
These deadlines need changing, along with the playing contracts.
Otherwise Ratu and Albert may well have moved on before the season even gets started again, if it ever does.

Don’t think there’s been a demonisation of Radford, just the reality that he took us as far as he could and the style of rugby wasn’t great.

I watched some highlights from 2018 on Sky. The week after Warringtons cup final defeat, they destroyed a woeful FC.
After watching that I’m not sure how Radford lasted for 2019.

The poster Dentist stated there should be an embargo enforced on players - presumably by the RFL and/or SL, did you not read that bit? An embargo would come with penalties if you breach them wouldn't it, otherwise there's no point to it, surely you can understand that if a poster wants embargos to prevent players from being able to leave that by doing so there would be a penalty for a breach of that embargo right?

I'm just disagreeing with the poster The Dentist who was the one saying there should be an embargo on players.