7 from the starting 17? Kelly hasn't been picked when he was available and carlos and ratu were replaced by experienced backs who both are in with a big shout at starting 13 positions anyway. That leaves satae, ma'u and savelio so 3, not 7 and most teams will have at least 3 players missing most weeks. Just another exponent of the excuse culture

... don't remember LR saying Wigan are "average", where has that come from??

Shall we put this one to bed? We crossed the line 5 times Vs Warrington. They scored one try and never got close to another. We were down to 15 fit players in that match and were seriously disrupted by the decapitation of Powell. Just in case you've forgotten we were winning at the time of the sending off.

Struggled to beat Toronto? We beat them by 22 points! What constitutes a comfortable win in your book? How many wins by more than 22 points are you expecting Hull to get this season? In addition we were down to 12 men for a period in that game and still scored. Or does that only count for any opposition teams (who, incidentally, fail to do the same)?

Lost at Cas, I'll give you although we've also lost 7 from the last 8 on that ground winning 2 titles in the process.

I'll add an extra one to your synopsis as you seem to have somehow missed that one off. I can only assume an oversight. Beat Hull convincingly with a team missing Burgess, Gildart, O'Loughlin, Flower and Powell amongst others (just to even up the missing players excuse a bit).

If that's 'average' I'll bet it's average enough to have a fair crack at the title again this year.

...didn't Powell play?

He did “ccs” and he had a good game, much underrated player. like Danny works his socks off.

He did mate, sorry. I failed to recognise him as his head was still embedded in Chris Hill's forearm.