With all due respect, it shouldn't matter whether you travel 70 miles, or 70 yards to the game. What we have had to endure this season is not what we sign up for. That's their choice and that should be respected.

I travel a round trip of about 110 miles for home games. I'll buy a pass next year. I have seen us in a much worse state than this in the past. The frustrating thing is that we have the playing personnel to be much better.

I just googled "Adam Pearson Hull" to see if there was any reaction from him in the media to last night.
The top news story has the headline "Hull FC owner Adam Pearson launches stinging attack on players letting club down and says they'll be released"
It was only when I clicked on it and started reading I realised it was from September 2018 after the Warrington defeat.
It's like groundhog Day

Radders has done well but he's simply at the end of his shelf life with Hull. With there being no London next season, relegation is a genuine threat with the form we show at the back end of the season. I had no excuse not to go to the game last night. I had the time and the money but I simply couldn't face what I expected would happen. Not losing so much, but embarrassing ourselves. I worry about the impact the end of this season is going to have on our attendances, and how in turn that will impact an already very stale home atmosphere. I like Radford, but we need some kind of catalyst to change.

Well he certainly won't be going anywhere this week, it will depend on what we do next week. Saints may field their reserves again and we may end up scraping in to 5th. Which Pearson would probably hail as a major success. Personally I hope Saints deal us another record defeat and hammer the last nail in his coffin. But realistically I know he is still going to be here next year regardless.

I don't get to many games these days anyway. I work and spend most of my time in Scotland. I will go when I am in Hull for the week, or if it's a big game I will make the effort. But until something changes, that's me done. I don't mind us being rubbish, I've seen far worse teams and have stuck by them. But what I can't abide is all this talent going to waste. We have the squad to be real challengers. This year a GF spot was just begging to be claimed, but instead we just embarrass ourselves week after week. Next year we have recruited great but it will just be the same again. I just hope that alot of others are feeling the same as me and decide to keep their cash in their pockets. Maybe then Pearson might wake up and see what is obvious.

That is the problem and the rightly should cop the criticism for their failure to perform when needed, however the Coach also shoulders that responsibility as he is the one that is there to ensure they go out on the field ready to perform and if they do not then it his job to make the changes and correct what is going wrong.

This is what is not happening and it seems to be coming pretty apparent that it is more player lead in the way we actually play and perform than the coaching team.

A lot gets said about the 2 cup wins and that's what LR brought us but yet the poor performances its the players? That just doesn't wash anymore as the same traits in the way we play are there in 6 years LR has been in charge and the players have been changed the only constant within is the coaching staff.
Looking back was it LR that was so instrumental in the cup wins or was it more to do with the players lets not forget the infamous dressing room lockout in 2016.

Sums it up for me, travelling hundreds of miles to see 5 drives and a kick, as has been said, doesn't matter if it's 100 miles or 100 metres, FC are not entertaining, Ellis said "the effort was there", Sorry Gareth, it wasn't, Sika wandering back after tackles and other players stood with hands on hips.

McRae said there was a cancer at the club, looking at recent weeks it is no longer in remission. We watched the 2017 CC final the other day, where has that passion gone?

Well everyone regular users, School yard squabblers, occasion participants and trolls are having their two penneth this morning and the passion shown on here, whichever angle it comes from, certainly sets us all apart from the players we watched last night. Views may differ but the fact that there are pages and pages on here show how much people care and love their club.

For what its worth and after all these pages and pages of recruitment woes and lack of investment, skill deficiencies and Radford out we are at last getting to what is in my humble opinion is the nub of the whole question and well done to Jake and a few others for mentioning the word Culture because for me that's what it is down to.

We have an good owner who gets it and has invested when he could but one that has for whatever reason been less and less visible and out spoken in the press and media over he last two seasons and although I'm sure he would take me to task for saying it he has become more and more anonymous as time has passed by. Then we have a coaching team who have won us the ultimate trophy and given us the greatest day in many of our lives but who have all been at the Club for years and who, the minute a mention is made of bringing in some new blood and new ideas to join them, shoot that suggestion down immediately.

That I guess indicates that should the owner offer it then it will be turned down too. Make of that what you will but for me, that stability and security of tenure to the point of being a 'fixture' must engender a feeling of freedom from scrutiny and if you like comfort. That then rubs off on the players who look to me to be simply far too at ease in their roles as well.

Our lot get everything they need and more and yet look to me as if they are chosing their battlefields themselves, we can play rugby and do it well but we only ever really seem to perform consistently in one competition the Challenge Cup. Could that be because we have tasted the glory of that and want it badly again? Wanting it badly being the important point! Do the players only do it when they want to and are the coaching staff struggling to stop that happening? Lets face it Connor's disruptive side should have been sorted months ago, (when I was a kid he would have been braded a big baby) but all we get is that 'he winds everyone up' as if that alright.

We have some really skilful players yet teams like London and Salford and even the Rovers of late, who don't have the squads or the quality of playing staff, have much more wanting and desperation than we have.

Castleford haven't been much this year but they played as if their lives depended on it last night, they swarmed round us in the tackle in that first 20 minutes and we couldn't get out of our half or match their enthusiasm in fact we were miles behind before we even looked to have any sort of urgency at all. The talent is there, the game plan is there (I think) and the ability to score tries is there for we have seen it gloriously displayed occasionally this season but its all about attitude and enthusiasm and the lack of that smacks to me of it all being just too comfortable and a bit like the tail is wagging the dog at times

Finding me taking part on a Radford out thread is something I thought I'd never do, but I'm not condoning the title at all but rather simply giving my angle on a discussion that brings out real passion from everyone; all Just my thoughts of course and what do I know anyway, I just stand on the touchline and despair!

Spot on Wilf, I thimk there is more than an elememt of comfort/complacency from Radford down, I found it very telling that Houghton wasn't interviewed, Ellis was. Radford soinded completely lost during his Radio Blunderside interview, he should have made a muxh sterner appraisal of Connor for example.

for me one of the first things I would do is give the captains armband to someone else, danny for all his attributes being captain isn't one of them

Does anybody at the club read these forums Wilf?

As I've just said on the VT - put Wane in charge of your squad from next season and you'd win the GF within two years.