Agree, he is supposed to be a pro athlete. It’s embarrassing for the club. Those defending him or making light of it need to think about it a bit more.

No... is your implication that that makes it okay?

I don’t expect him to be torn limb from limb over this, but at a minimum an apology and some sort of contrition appears to in order.



Aye that’s the one, fair enough.



The ones that spring to mind are Cockayne because of his repeated offending and Minns because it is recent. I’m happy to discuss others, if you can remind me. Just to acknowledge up front that neither were/are as good/important players as Kelly, making it easier to take the moral high ground to the limited extent that I did.

For Cockayne, the suspension for the assault, I was just about okay with that and one or two people told me it was out of character. The racist Facebook post was his second chance for me and I thought it was a mistake not to sack him then. It’s a fine line between being supportive and enabling. Obviously then, I had no issue when he was sacked after the next thing with the car and Watts. I couldn’t, and still don’t really, understand why we bought him back for the second spell though that was as much for rugby reasons as anything else.

With Minns, as with Cockayne’s first offence, i’m okay with the club being supportive. I think he should and will get a ban, because those are the rules, but i’m not a great believer in our drug laws and by itself, I don’t think using is as bad as assault (definitely), or using racist or misogynistic language in the ways Cockayne or Kelly, respectively, did. I imagine on the last the difference between BC and AK and a fair few others is that they were caught, but that doesn’t excuse them.

Assuming there’s no more to it, either mitigating or aggravating, then I think one of those all too standard club statements and a fine paid to a women’s charity will be the extent of it. And McDonalds should ban him (if that’s where it was).

Agree with most of that, not sure about the relativity you apply to Class A drug use, but would be surprised if it amounts to much more than what you describe as far as Kelly goes. Will certainly be a tricky one if the contract talk is still ongoing.

Just a personal opinion. Massive oversimplification but if, magically, I could make any two of the following three disappear from the world:

Violence
Use of bigoted language
Class A drugs

I wouldn’t have to think about it very long.

Magic away violence and you magic away Rugby League, so i can only assume you mean the other two?

I think that is oversimplified. Within bigoted language would you include misogynistic name-calling in that, e.g. on a messageboard?

Excepting where the participants consent. So RL can stay, and you and I can continue our BDSM play.

Talking of shocking stuff seen on Facebook, I saw you in your new five a side kit earlier. Glorious.

There was a clue in my post. But I stand by it.





That’s an entirely fair point, and certainly I can recall instances where you have been the target. If there are any you’d like me or another moderator or admin to look at for action, targeted at you or anybody else, i think pm would be best. However, given the context, and if the Hull mods are okay with it, then i’m happy to look in-thread with them, you and other posters, at representative examples as part of a more general discussion.

Well if you've noticed it, here and elsewhere, and not thought it worth actioning, maybe it's not one of the top 2 things to be rid of.

Its a nothing video. Bloke gets drunk, acts a bit stupid. End of story.

The pain in the @rses are the p!ssed ones who then proceed to try and bum fags.