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| Quote: Jake the Peg "I'm pretty sure our turnover was north of £5m some years ago under kath & co. No doubt retail sales and commercial/sponsorship are down and also gate receipts but you need to factor in price increases, increase in sky income and, presumably, a falling cost to use the stadium as that is linked to numbers coming through the gate. Didn't we break even more or less in the last set of accounts? This was pre some people leaving who haven't been replaced (sutton, munson etc.), the increase in sky income (Is it another £1/2m p.a.?)and, of course, any savings to be made from the not merger of the academies. I'd have said we should be reasonably profitable unless gate receipts drop dramatically.
Ultimately, the stadium deal remains a millstone around our necks. What should be a great platform for success is actually holding us back. We're restricted on non matchday income (conferences, events etc.), matchday income (food and drink sales), sponsorship (naming rights, stadium sponsorship etc.) and also seemingly punitive costs in some areas (ticketing being one). If we have been paying circa £750k p.a. to use the stadium I'd put the hidden costs (income which goes directly to the smc) at £1/2m more at least. Add in the lack of flexibility on match day prices and other promotions and this is where we are really losing out as a club to the likes of leeds, saints and warrington. For example, on lower gates than us, wire made about £1/2m profit last year I think.
pearson has made plenty of mistakes and seemingly is continuing to do so. As has been said, I'm bored of hearing how it's everyone else's fault.'"
One thing to bear in mind is the the profitability under the previous regime has now been shown to have been generated off the back of leveraging some tax/NI loopholes that have since been closed and at one point plain not paying a tax bill on time/at all. Not to mention underinvestment in facilities/youth.
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| Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "The £11m turnover for Leeds, is this solely the Rhinos or does thus include the Union team? What I do know is, their corporate hospitality is huge in comparison to any other RL club in the UK. Not sure if the Rhinos own their stadium, but I think it maybe part of Caddicks business empire. St's do have their own stadium which I'd imagine they have a decent mortgage to finance it.
Anyway. Realistically what would make the opinion of the stay away fans change? Is it a matter of changing the coach or is it going to take a sustained period of winning to get bums on seats?'"
Winning will obviously increase gates but the coup for Pearson would be to appoint a first class coach.That would have a bigger impact on fans buying a season pass than signing The likes of Pritchard.It would also show fans he has admitted his mistake appointing Radford.
Apart from Pearson there are very few people who have any faith left in Radford as a coach.
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| Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "The £11m turnover for Leeds, is this solely the Rhinos or does thus include the Union team? What I do know is, their corporate hospitality is huge in comparison to any other RL club in the UK. Not sure if the Rhinos own their stadium, but I think it maybe part of Caddicks business empire. St's do have their own stadium which I'd imagine they have a decent mortgage to finance it.
Anyway. Realistically what would make the opinion of the stay away fans change? Is it a matter of changing the coach or is it going to take a sustained period of winning to get bums on seats?'"
No. Saints have no bank debt, and was majorly financed (currently £15m) by a friend of Eamon McManus who also happens to be a Saints fan. The club can pay this back at any rate, and any debt remaining at the end of the 2018 will be liquidated into shares (or postponed) and the club will again be completely debt free. It will all come down to whether McManus wants to retire, and if he does the baton will be passed into a fan whose already proven his commitment financially (or at least that's my current understanding)
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "No. Saints have no bank debt, and was majorly financed (currently £15m) by a friend of Eamon McManus who also happens to be a Saints fan. The club can pay this back at any rate, and any debt remaining at the end of the 2018 will be liquidated into shares (or postponed) and the club will again be completely debt free. It will all come down to whether McManus wants to retire, and if he does the baton will be passed into a fan whose already proven his commitment financially (or at least that's my current understanding)'"
Interesting. If that's the case, how come saints were so skint during the build process?
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Interesting. If that's the case, how come saints were so skint during the build process?'"
Mcmanus still poured a lot of his own funds into the project, as well as modernising the training and youth facilities as an aside, and paying off directors loans we had outstanding from the early days of SL at the same time - i think McManus + sale of kr made up the remaining £10m for the stadium. I also think an element of idealism (a saints team in a saints stadium) meant we could have invested more in the playing side but chose not to - but that's more personal conjecture than what the accounts say.
I'll have a closer look on the saints accounts when they're published like I always do, but I'm 95% that's what was gleaned from last years accounts, and presume the accounts this year say the same...
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Mcmanus still poured a lot of his own funds into the project, as well as modernising the training and youth facilities as an aside, and paying off directors loans we had outstanding from the early days of SL at the same time - i think McManus + sale of kr made up the remaining £10m for the stadium. I also think an element of idealism (a saints team in a saints stadium) meant we could have invested more in the playing side but chose not to - but that's more personal conjecture than what the accounts say.
I'll have a closer look on the saints accounts when they're published like I always do, but I'm 95% that's what was gleaned from last years accounts, and presume the accounts this year say the same...'"
Whatever, you're in a much better financial position than us
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