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| Quote knockersbumpMKII="knockersbumpMKII"It's only a bit of paper, we all know that various parties (local/national government included) take naff all notice of stuff like that and the hoi polloi can go get fecked.'"
actually, it's a commercial lease agreement, and Local Authorities refer to the terms when taking action, it just takes a lot of political will to take action. Allem may regret doing this so close to a General Election, lots of votes to be won by being seen to be trying to get equality for the community.
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| Quote ComeOnYouUll="ComeOnYouUll"SMC lease clause as tweeted by @angus_young61
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Can not see anything in the agreement that allows a change of use and to exclude the citizens of Hull from exercising anything ...............
The council have to enforce and stop this happening, they own it and will be the ones paying for it to be put right when he walks away with his pockets full of silver
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| Quote Boulder_Dash="Boulder_Dash"actually, it's a commercial lease agreement, and Local Authorities refer to the terms when taking action, it just takes a lot of political will to take action. Allem may regret doing this so close to a General Election, lots of votes to be won by being seen to be trying to get equality for the community.'"
I know what it is, I wasn't referring to anything political when I said 'parties', I meant groups/organisations/individuals.
My point is that a contract/agreement that doesn't now suit those parties can be overlooked at the expense of joe public because one party just want to financially profit and the other just don't have the gumption, time, money or indeed know-how to fight it. it could well take a legal challenge by an individual but given the way the council are lap dogs in this it might not be even allowed.
Basically a legal challenge to have the SMC (& the deliberate and compounded efforts to diminish revenue and profits) AND the council to be investigated over the whole sordid affair, the misapropriation of a council owned building for the benefit of a private company and its profits.
The council aren't really that interested, they'd rather let the stadium be sold up to Allam for what they can get and be done with it, completely wash their hands. They've let things things fly for far too long, haven't ever had proper control over things they'll just blow a load of hot air and the reality is that Allam will garner more control until such a time as the council just give up..
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| Something happened when the SMC was transferred between Bartlett and Allam, thats where this all tracks back to the SMC prior to this was ran ok , profits low I know but no losses. The document of transfer has something in it the council either missed or ignored and its that IMHO that is causing all this grief. Allam has or thinks he has carte blanch to do as he wants, his biggest mistake is of course not understanding the people of Hull or thinking he can "lord it " over us. He has now upset most of his own supporters his days are numbered, the entire city is about to turn on him and rip him a new one.
Hull city Council has to come out and be honest now.
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| Quote knockersbumpMKII="knockersbumpMKII"The council aren't really that interested, they'd rather let the stadium be sold up to Allam for what they can get and be done with it, completely wash their hands. They've let things things fly for far too long, haven't ever had proper control over things they'll just blow a load of hot air and the reality is that Allam will garner more control until such a time as the council just give up..'"
You mean the council that have refused to sell the stadium to him already, that he won't speak to, and who are considering whether what he is currently proposing is actually permitted under the terms of the contract? That council? They seem to be doing the opposite of what you're saying.
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| Quote Chris28="Chris28"You mean the council that have refused to sell the stadium to him already, that he won't speak to, and who are considering whether what he is currently proposing is actually permitted under the terms of the contract? That council? They seem to be doing the opposite of what you're saying.'"
I'm pretty sure the council said they would consider any offer he made for the stadium.
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| Quote Jake the Peg="Jake the Peg"I'm pretty sure the council said they would consider any offer he made for the stadium.'"
They would have to consider but equally have to avoid doing anything that could be deemed harmful to the Hull ratepayers as they could be held personally responsible. Suppose for example Allam offered to buy the stadium for £200 million - then the council could defend themselves by arguing they got a great deal for the ratepayers. But I'm not losing any sleep over that scenario because the great philanthropist won't even go near the market value, let alone add sweeteners to push the deal through. I rather suspect their preferred reply would be along the lines of go forth and multiply you thieving spiv but decorum has to be maintained.
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| Quote Erik the not red="Erik the not red"They would have to consider but equally have to avoid doing anything that could be deemed harmful to the Hull ratepayers as they could be held personally responsible. Suppose for example Allam offered to buy the stadium for £200 million - then the council could defend themselves by arguing they got a great deal for the ratepayers. But I'm not losing any sleep over that scenario because the great philanthropist won't even go near the market value, let alone add sweeteners to push the deal through. I rather suspect their preferred reply would be along the lines of go forth and multiply you thieving spiv but decorum has to be maintained.'"
Exactly.
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| Quote Chris28="Chris28"You mean the council that have refused to sell the stadium to him already, that he won't speak to, and who are considering whether what he is currently proposing is actually permitted under the terms of the contract? That council? They seem to be doing the opposite of what you're saying.'"
'Seem' to be doing, there's a big difference between the bag of wind that are local councils and actual action.
And if you were an impartial councillor and were offered X amount for the stadium which would go a long way toward reducing the plight of the coffers of said council which in turn directly benefits the ratepayers (something that the stadium currently isn't doing nor will do going forward) then you would be under pressure to act on that offer if it benefitted the majority as opposed to a distinct minority.
In the same position you would consider the sale of a property that gives zero income but caused so much problems to be far easier to sell outright than to retain against the money/time spent to maintain the status quo and the reducing value of an aging stadium.
Can you not understand how that that is not a great stretch to see that as a possibility?
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| Quote knockersbumpMKII="knockersbumpMKII"'Seem' to be doing, there's a big difference between the bag of wind that are local councils and actual action.
And if you were an impartial councillor and were offered X amount for the stadium which would go a long way toward reducing the plight of the coffers of said council which in turn directly benefits the ratepayers (something that the stadium currently isn't doing nor will do going forward) then you would be under pressure to act on that offer if it benefitted the majority as opposed to a distinct minority.
In the same position you would consider the sale of a property that gives zero income but caused so much problems to be far easier to sell outright than to retain against the money/time spent to maintain the status quo and the reducing value of an aging stadium.
Can you not understand how that that is not a great stretch to see that as a possibility?'"
There are rules that councils have to follow for the sale of community assets. They won't be able to flog it off cheap, and Allam won't pay the market rate. In fact so far he hasn't offered to pay anything at all.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"There are rules that councils have to follow for the sale of community assets. They won't be able to flog it off cheap, and Allam won't pay the market rate. In fact so far he hasn't offered to pay anything at all.'"
There are different rules also I think on different expenditure and income types. I don't think councils are allowed to simply sell off public assets to shore up revenue budget deficits.
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