What do you guys think of Joe Westerman? I obviously don't watch Hull every week but he looks like he's enjoying playing through the middle at 13.

In theory. But when was the last time you watched two evenly-matched poor sides play and came away thinking "Wow! What a game!"? More often you get an error-ridden borefest.

We have not seen a high quality derby for years, high on excitement yes, quality no

2010 at the KC is the best most recent one I remember, some good rugby, a brawl, and that try saver from Tommy Briscoe. Same fixture in 2011 wasn't bad either, one of Long's few decent games.

Surely if we only get 16,000 then that means a lot of people aren't accepting rubbish?

Had a similar thought.