thanks for your reply; radford has made mistakes but he has probably the worst talent/wages ratio in the league.
SA / Talanoa tony signings.
Trust me the club are still finiancially paying for the old regime.
I know of one player who is going home from england from a super leaugue club and now pearson has to fork out the "off shore" payments as he is going home which where agreed by previous regime. this is a big figure

And I hope crooks senior tells radford what he thinks of him too

Er, didn't radford sign colbon, talanoa, sa and tuson?

Which established coaches were approached? Was the job advertised? Why has the crooks situation happened?

3) put an inadequate coach in charge, who has no experience, dismantles the squad and replaces it with ordinary players like the ones you previously listed and takes us into the 2nd division

Not true

Don't/didn't you sponsor players ?

Who wants to take a bet for charity of hull in the play offs next year?
Next year the club will also have a grade A academy structure for the first time; only let down previously due to not enough locally produced players in the first team.
Tony signs all over seas players as did bomber previously.
Crooks will come out eventually; then you can all take back your word on how badly radford has treated him.

Sticking purely to the inner workings of the salary cap (I devote far too much of my time to understanding it's working!)

If a new player signed for hull with a "lump sum" agreement (whether that be at the start as a signing on fee or at the end as an "off shore fee" as you put it) then the fee is spread throughout the length of the contract. If a player receives a signing on fee of 50k for a 5 year contract, instead of counting the 50k in the first year, it counts as 10k in every year the contract runs. Unless the player has subsequently signed a new contract since the initial contract then this is true of leaving clauses too.

If a player HAS signed a new contract since their original contract, then the "off shore" fee would of counted immediately on the cap (as a re-signing fee would) - the timing of the payment is irrelevant.

The only way this would be an issue is if the club are forcing a player out (if he wants to leave then he'll forgo these clauses) and it's included in the payoff, but that would be the clubs fault for forcing a player out it agreed a contract with...

So how come Radford never alluded to any of this when he first took the job?

Nope, it was all, rosy, a new dawn, a new coach confident in his squad and his ability to lead them to success. We saw him and Pearson at the Fans' Forum, confident, relaxed and promising improvement and progress towards the club's goal, of being one of the top Super League clubs with this very same set of men with this appalling talent/wages ratio that is only mentioned now.

Sorry, I'm not buying it. Radford said he was happy with the team he had and would walk if he couldn't live up to his promises. He can't turn around now once it's all gone Pete Tong and decide [inow[/i that the 'talent/wages ratio' wasn't all it was cracked up to be after all.

That is hogwash and is, in fact, exactly what Agar did too. Welch on the promise to go if he couldn't achieve success and instead blame the worldoand his dog.

Incidentally, I'd have said that Cas had a much worse 'talent/wages' ratio at the beginning of the season but look what a brand new coach inheriting that team has achieved.

Incidentally 2, Motu was recruited after McRae, so is very much of the Radford regime, not the 'old' one. Not sure if you mean Kath's tenure or Gentle/McRae by 'old regime'.

You go on as if radford has nothing to build on like we've been languishing at the bottom for years and he has to build a squad from scratch, when in fact he's had the foundations of a decent squad to build on, a squad which finished 6th and reached the cc final. But with the majority of last seasons squad he's managed to take us backwards a few years back to the near bottom of super league, and he's also managed to kill the confidence of a few of our younger players as well, he's way out of his depth.

With the way some clubs like widens and cas have gone this year and the emergence of Salford getting into the top 8 is going to be even harder next year and I've no confidence radford has the ability to get us into the top 8 next year, get rid now and get a new coach in to get bedded in and have a full pre season so then at least we'll have a chance of making the 8 next year instead of giving radford the start of next season as well and then realising he's not the man for the job and another season has been wasted.

I don't think Radford will take us forward, but in saying that it's getting tiresome the amount of diatribe from certain people on here.
What I don't understand I'd that if Talanoa and Sa were Tony signings, how come they got new deals under Radfords stewardship?
I also think people are rewriting history regarding Gentle.
His side was going nowhere, and he, McRae and Howes hoodwinked AP big time.